Real Solutions to PvP problems

[Wintersandman]

Healer stacking in RW is already diminishing, Mael winning in Frontlines is dminished, and the community does speak out but you can't convince people who think they know better. The meta constantly evolves and Mael would have only dominated for so long.

[Theodric]

Healer stacking in RW is already diminishing, Mael winning in Frontlines is dminished, and the community does speak out but you can't convince people who think they know better. The meta constantly evolves and Mael would have only dominated for so long.

Literally every game I've played lately has involved healer stacking, unfortunately. It's even more effective as of the latest 'balance' patch as mammets are a lot more powerful now and can be kept topped up by even a single healer fairly easily. Yet I'm seeing multiple healers escorting mammets frequently as it's an even more effective strategy than it was before the latest patch.

[Wintersandman]

Literally every game I've played lately has involved healer stacking, unfortunately. It's even more effective as of the latest 'balance' patch as mammets are a lot more powerful now and can be kept topped up by even a single healer fairly easily. Yet I'm seeing multiple healers escorting mammets frequently as it's an even more effective strategy than it was before the latest patch.

It may be that way on your data center but on Primal it is less and there is an easy solution to healer stacking. People focus the mammets but the healer can't heal if they are being targeted. That is what I do. I see a healer healing a mammet i go for him.

[Zojha]

People focus the mammets but the healer can't heal if they are being targeted.

They can, quite well in fact. They got enough throughput for that.

I generally put a Regen on me and the mammet and occasionally use cure while pretending the DPS doesn't exist or force the DPS to retreat by handily beating them in a 1vs1 through the combined powers of "Balance", "Teamwork" and "Coordination", then get back to mammets unhindered. As Scholar, I often just DPS the mammets and use the Flow procs to Lustrate myself up against the DPS - it's more efficient to just kill/maim them, but I usually prefer making a point out of showing them the futility of their efforts. Ranged DPS are easiest to ignore, melee can force me to use Adlo/Cure II and deal with them if they are good.

A single DPS isn't a threat to a healer, you can comfortably keep yourself and the mammet up and multiple DPS don't fare much better against multiple healers. It's not until you get sufficiently outnumbered that you might need to let the mammets die or even retreat, but if the team does that, you've already won, because you've drawn more enemy resources than you have spent.

The better solution is to fight broken with broken and put a healer on both sides. The demolition timer works in your favor, as mammets will eventually die on their own and neither of the healers will have the burst needed to get rid of the other. You can even hold two healers on your own, expending less resources than the enemy. That's efficient.

[Wintersandman]

A single DPS isn't a threat to a healer, you can comfortably keep yourself and the mammet up and multiple DPS don't fare much better against multiple healers. It's not until you get sufficiently outnumbered that you might need to let the mammets die or even retreat, but if the team does that, you've already won, because you've drawn more enemy resources than you have spent.

A single dps agreed isn't a threat to a healer but I rarely encounter a 1v1 situation. Pushing lanes and killing mammets is more effective than a fight over middle. As a DPS I can solo Opps and CC's way faster than a healer could and often do. If you are pushing mammets and are forced to retreat it isn't really a win because now you have multiple DPS and mammets going to your towers/core and they will obliterate it much faster than a solo healer pushing mammets. I have been winning more RW matches with a balanced group than a healer stacked group due to the DPS being more effective than healers.

[RiyahArp]

Mammets don't do any real damage mid game. yes you can get a tower down to start, but when the bots come out, oppressors beat mammets every time, and people can no longer support mammet pushes. If you don't have decent enough ce then, you'll lose.

[saucyshortcake]

Mammets don't do any real damage mid game. yes you can get a tower down to start, but when the bots come out, oppressors beat mammets every time, and people can no longer support mammet pushes. If you don't have decent enough ce then, you'll lose.

This is completely false. You'd be surprised how many people end up completely ignoring mammets running through the fight/robots. I have, on multiple occasions, kept healing mammets to push them back to the opposing tower on the top lane while a 20-30 person brawl was happening on the middle island. While the oppressors are getting focused while running through and doing zero damage due to not reaching the destination, I end up putting substantial damage into the enemy tower until people realize it.

[Wintersandman]

Mammets don't do any real damage mid game. yes you can get a tower down to start, but when the bots come out, oppressors beat mammets every time, and people can no longer support mammet pushes. If you don't have decent enough ce then, you'll lose.

That is if you can get an oppressor there. I have won matches where we lost two towers and held off the teams oppressors reaching the core. We ended up getting down their towers and had enough kamikaze dps to do more damage on their core than they did to ours. This isn't done by healer stacking. CE can also be gathered all across the middle and you can easily keep your team a float with CE plus some without holding the generator.