Real Solutions to PvP problems

[RiyahArp]

do you even heal in feast?
if dps and tanks dont do their job it's the same as losing with healer dead everytime, and how possibly other roles don't affect others? you ever tanked in feast? you know that tank toolkits are more than enough to provide both offensive and defensive support to your team, a tank that CCs enemies to help taking down someone or to give own's healer time to breath and lessen his pressure affects a lot the others, the whole team and the enemies as well, DPSes giving proper damage through peels and bursts affect their healers and their opponent healers.

DPS fail at their job...the healer keeps them up to try again. Tanks act stupid...the healer keeps them up. The healer...he does it all by himself. He dies, neither dps nor tanks can do anything but run back to spawn and try not to die because they don't have any sustain. A tank in general has very limited tools to fix stuff compared to a healer; he can't cover two people at the same time like a healer does, he can't self-sustain like a healer does when under fire, and as the match goes on, he grows more vulnerable due to medal debuffs. Most DPS don't peel...the healer peels himself by using line of sight effectively and all his toolkit. Half of the dps coudln't even use purify on their healer effectively.

If the healer isn't good to start with, you can't do much. Only when healers have roughly equal skill do dps and tanks shine, and that's mostly at the highest levels of play.

[Wintersandman]

DPS fail at their job...the healer keeps them up to try again. Tanks act stupid...the healer keeps them up. The healer...he does it all by himself. He dies, neither dps nor tanks can do anything but run back to spawn and try not to die because they don't have any sustain. A tank in general has very limited tools to fix stuff compared to a healer; he can't cover two people at the same time like a healer does, he can't self-sustain like a healer does when under fire, and as the match goes on, he grows more vulnerable due to medal debuffs. Most DPS don't peel...the healer peels himself by using line of sight effectively and all his toolkit. Half of the dps coudln't even use purify on their healer effectively.

Honestly I think I know what your deal is. You couldn't figure out how to communicate with your teammates and are thus blaming your lack of coordination on DPS, Tanks, and the old 3.0 system. Because everyone else is providing counter points which boil down to communication.

Cover, The Blackest Night, Thrill of War, Dragon Sight, and Vercure would like a word with you.

And Clemency.

[Mofafafa]

wow damn, as if everything you proposed doesn't appear in the old system. wow my mind is blown.


tanks had their own identify before which are | PLD = protector, DRK = Debuffer, Warrior = FELLCLEAVE |

it was a poor balancing from the SE side in which among every Melee DPS, only ninja have the ability to triumph and solo kill against every other DPS.
In the frontline point of view, MCH was viewed as OP class while it is viewed as the LEAST favorable class in Feast. An implemention of OGCD with decent cooldown and lowering the GCD to compensate the extra OGCD to promote burst method for feast and lowering the high sustaining damage that MCH can offer in frontline.

Regarding your frontline / Rival wings complaints, i rarely seen any complaint from my DataCenter which is Elemental from JP. unless there are several cases of unskilled player still does not have the ability to utilize the 9 button ffxiv smash.

And yes, healer is the easiest role to go wrong with in feast but in several cases. Some blame are onto healer wrongfully as some the DPS did not do their job to relieve the pressure. Eg: DPS standing still getting hit for free in which having to burn the healer's MP quickly, DPS stand too close/ run towards to the healer which result in opponent switching targets and gets bursted, Team member LOS... lol, team member ran too far away from healer in which the range of healing isnt in reach, not killing opponent, healer blew all his OGCD such as benediction just to save your sorry mistake, etc.

The feast now is pretty imbalance because of all the missing mechanics from the old system and medal system is practically even worst compared to before. The tanks lost all their defensive skill to mitigate damages.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It's just as much the DPS and tank's job to cover and protect their healer. If that means going harder on the offense and taking out an attacker, or falling back to provide a peel/defensive utility, the healer is NOT doing anything by themselves, and let's correct that misconception right here and now. That doesn't absolve the healer of any personal responsibility to try and sustain and self-preserve, but that healer IS part of a team, and if the team isn't helping their healer, the healer's going to have a tougher time performing their role.

The healer is the easiest role to go wrong with the worst consequences, because it's the only role that affects others than themselves.

Cover, The Blackest Night, Thrill of War, Dragon Sight, and Vercure would like a word with you.

[Stormfur]

Healers are the job with the most potential and the most consequences.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I forgot about Clemency!

[Mirch]

Not only team can help healer with their skills, there is something called kiting, something called not-get-out-of-healer-line-of-sight.
On the other side healer has to be in ideal position for both pushing and retreating and tell the team his situation, if low on mp or for example "this tank is on my roe back sum1 please stop him". A healer alone can not win matches, if you say a healer alne can win matches you never played feast.

[RiyahArp]

You can't dps if the healer doesn't keep you up, plain and simple. But you as DPS don't have the same responsibility nor can help the healer as much. You can't help keep the healer up; at best you can burst more effectively to make sure the other team retreats faster. No one is going to try and stop the tank for you, because he's too hard to kill until he has a ton of medals, and you need the healer suppressed first. You stop him by winning your dps race and he falls back.

The healer can't win matches, but he can lose them for you.

[Guesswhat]

Frontlines is actually decent. the problem is this game's "pvp community" will never treat it as a fun mode...

???

Dunno if I'm considered a part of the "community", but pretty much all of my 5k+ frontline matches have been for fun. I've never grinded for anything.

When it comes to healing and feast, I think it's pretty obvious that the job that determines the outcome the most is the healer. One way to see this is to realize in what scenario it would be considered most absurd to still believe your team could win if a player on your team DC'd at the start of the match. Assume the player never returns to the match, and skill-level of all players are equalish. The scenario that would be considered most absurd would be that if your healer DC'd. That being said, it IS team-play and all players are important to score a win.

[Airget]

I think the simplest solution for healing would be losing Max HP every-time you heal your Max HP for 30 seconds or 15 seconds in Feast.

So basically if a healer has 13k HP, everytime they heal themselves for a total of 13k HP they lose 1k HP, then next time they heal themselves for a total of 12k HP in that 15-30 seconds window they lose another 1k HP and this continue either til they successfully disengage from combat for 15-30 seconds or they die. Another addition would be, taking a hit(not DoT dmg) would also cause the 15-30 second timer to reset.

This healing would also pertain to all magic based healing since the ability based ones have a timer that shouldn't add to the Max HP strain.