My Eureka Concept

[Wintersandman]

I say this because none of what you stated above constitutes "toxic" by the way. No first time bonus, must be x ilvl, skip soar, etc. none of that is toxic.

It does exclude a vast majority of people who didn't jump on new content the week it was released, which is not beneficial to people just starting out or people trying to catch up. It is discouraging to look at PF groups and see your immediately excluded. Ya I could start my own and say it is a learning party but then people bail on the 3rd wipe. If you don't see that as toxic and non-beneficial to the community than you really haven't been part of a helpful community.

My point is you don't have to make it 8 man to make it challenging. Also PvP is far more challenging than PvE as it is not about memorizing a dance.