Declining Good Healer in High-end content

[Kakiko]

Ive done this fight 128 times. Maybe 5 of them I was playing AST, the rest were WHM. I’ve carried so many bad SCH/AST that never shield. All I ever hope for is shields. I can do the heavy lifting, just help me out a little bit and put a shield on that tank about to take Tera slash in dps stance with no cool downs.

I’ve learned to network a bit. I let my co-healer know when they’re doing a great job and I add them to my friend list. Next time I need a solid co-healer I check my friends first. This might work for you too. Otherwise the solution is probably doing it with your friends, FC or maybe a static.

What is with ASTs these days only wanting to go into Diurnal? I've come across this a couple of times in raids (not Raba, I don't think I'm good enough with the mechanics yet to try healing in it) where my co-heal is an AST and they choose Diurnal without checking to see which their co-heal (me, on AST) is choosing. Is it the default setting for these people? I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct.

Seeeriously frustrating.

[Saberlink]

What is with ASTs these days only wanting to go into Diurnal? I've come across this a couple of times in raids (not Raba, I don't think I'm good enough with the mechanics yet to try healing in it) where my co-heal is an AST and they choose Diurnal without checking to see which their co-heal (me, on AST) is choosing. Is it the default setting for these people? I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct.

Seeeriously frustrating.

That is how the situation nowadays. Usually when start of the battle I will turn on the Sect after another AST choose their Sect. Given that we can use party chat, should it be discuss first. We could us auto translate like "Healer Nocturnal Sect Diurnal Sect?".

[kikix12]

What is with ASTs these days only wanting to go into Diurnal? I've come across this a couple of times in raids (not Raba, I don't think I'm good enough with the mechanics yet to try healing in it) where my co-heal is an AST and they choose Diurnal without checking to see which their co-heal (me, on AST) is choosing. Is it the default setting for these people? I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct.

Seeeriously frustrating.

Um...You are an Astrologian and are complaining that others only want Diurnal...and are infuriated about that wanting to know why they only want Diurnal...Aren't you part of that?! I mean, why are you infuriated if not for the fact that YOU want Diurnal as well? If you don't care, then just go Nocturnal and be done with it, there would be naught for you to get angry over.

If I don't care (and I don't, not in 8+ man content anyway) which sect I'm playing, then I base it on whatever the other healer is. Scholar/Nocturnal Astrologian?! I go Diurnal. White Mage/Diurnal Astrologian?! I go Nocturnal. I couldn't care less and I'll pick one or the other myself only if the other Astrologian doesn't seem to be particularly interested in making the first move himself. Though I do usually pick Nocturnal...I came from a Scholar after all, and I do like being able to cast shields before the big hits...

All in all, ask the question as to why "everyone wants to go Diurnal" to yourself. Why do YOU want to go Diurnal so much that being unable to (cause you are reasonable enough to not force a two-Diurnal situation) you are getting infuriated?! That's going to be a similar answer as to what those you ask in general would bring.

[Kakiko]

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Uhm, I don't recall ever saying I only want to go Diurnal? Would you be so kind as to show me where I said that? Otherwise, please don't put words into my mouth; it's rude. I go with what's needed. If I see my co-AST has chosen Diurnal first, then I go Noct. If I'm with a scholar, I go Diurnal. If I'm with a WHM, I go Noct. Did you miss the part where I said "I've also been in raids as DPS with a WHM and an AST as heals and I've seen ASTs refuse to go into Noct"? Yea, that means that's totally me wanting to go into Diurnal!

I'm saying that from what I've seen in 24 and 8 man content the default setting seems to be an AST comes in and without even checking to see who/what their co-heal is, pop into Diurnal and some of them have refused to switch. If I'm going as AST in something I take the time to check and see who my co-heal is, and if it's an AST who has yet to choose a Sect, I reach out in party chat and ask them which one they want to take. Shocking, right? And here I am, according to you "infuriated" that they've chosen Diurnal because apparently I want to be in Diurnal? I don't care what I'm in.

Also, I said it was frustrating, not "infuriating." Two entirely different things. I'm not "infuriated" that someone chooses Diurnal; I'm frustrated when they seem to think it's the default setting and then 100% refuse to change.

[kikix12]

Uhm, I don't recall ever saying I only want to go Diurnal? Would you be so kind as to show me where I said that? Otherwise, please don't put words into my mouth; it's rude.

...You're telling me to not put words in my mouth and then go do exactly that, huh...I'll return the favor..."Would you be so kind as to show me where I said (...)" that you only want Diurnal? I am most certainly implying that is the case, yes, but at the same time, your post is doing the same.

You see, what I did hear is focus on why you are frustrated (yes, I mixed the word frustrated with infuriated, but they are two degrees of the same emotion, so they are nowhere near as far apart as you seem to think). There is zero reason that I can think of as to why you would ever be bothered by others going Diurnal "by default", unless you'd want to do that and can't yourself. I literally asked you as to the reason why that frustrates you...


The part about being a DPS and seeing others go Diurnal with White Mage is another thing entirely. As a DPS, you have little reason to care what healers do, so long as they do their job. That White Mage could be frustrated by that, but why would you? You died cause of that?! Yes, then blame the Astrologian for not utilizing his toolking properly. No?! Then you have no reason to care. I very rarely have been in parties with the same healer type (power-heal or shield-heal) in the past. I have all three healers at lvl70 and used all of em in 8-man content at least. And I'll tell you this. As pointless as it seems, it may actually be somewhat reasonable for both healers to have regeneration or both healers to have shields. If for no other reason, then because one of them may not actually make use of these tools, and some battles are easier when you prevent damage while others are easier when you react to them.

Ultimately, stick to your job unless there's a problem. And if it involves your job (when you are Astrologian)...then again. I will repeat the question. Why does it make you frustrated that other Astrologian "defaults" to Diurnal?

[Kakiko]

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I'm really not sure why you're unable to understand what I'm posting; I'll try to make it a little more clear for you: I do not care if I'm in Diurnal or Nocturnal. I go into whichever sect is needed. Is that a bit clearer? Should I say it again? I. Do. Not. Care. If. I. Am. In. Diurnal. Or. Nocturnal.

You did ask me the reason and I believe I very clearly stated the reason, which apparently you can't quite seem to grasp? The reason it frustrates me, and I'll try to be as clear as possible for you, is when the AST refuses to go into anything but Diurnal.. That maybe wasn't as clear. Let me try again: If you, as an AST, refuse to ever go into anything except Diurnal, you frustrate me. Not because I specifically only want to be in Diurnal, but because you're not working with your co-healer and you're not strengthening your party at all.

I'm really not sure how I can make it more clear to you that it's not because I only want to be in Diurnal, because (again) I do not. I (again) go in to whichever sect is needed/required/makes the party stronger.

Ultimately, stick to your job unless there's a problem. And if it involves your job (when you are Astrologian)...then again. I will repeat the question. Why does it make you frustrated that other Astrologian "defaults" to Diurnal?"

Really? "Stick to your job"? So, you mean to tell me that you never in the history of existing have ever questioned the choice of another player unless they were the same job as you? Not once. Not ever ever ever? You've never questioned why that person did that, or didn't do that, unless they happened to have the same icon as you in the party list? Puh-lease. Don't give me that. "Stick to your job"? I'm not sure you could be any more condescending. I don't think it's up to you to tell me what I have a reason to care about and what I don't. Maybe the tables could be turned: you don't have a reason to care about what I'm saying, so don't?

And again, I'll repeat it, because apparently you can't quite grasp the concept:

I do not care which sect I am in. It makes me frustrated when an AST refuses to choose anything but Diurnal, especially when doing so would help the party as a whole.

But yes, please do keep telling me that I'm frustrated because I want to only be in Diurnal. I'm 110% done trying to make things clear. We'll have to agree to disagree here.

[LadyKairi]

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I share your feelings. As an Astro, you need to be flexible. There is no "oh yeah I'm -insert sect- main aha! Oh you want me to swap? Shove off m8 >.>". It's especially frustrating when an ast goes noct with a sch co heals. I could see where dual regens COULD be useful, but noct with a whm is just the better option. The astros who refuse to use the proper sect for the situation are just bad players imo. You need to learn how to use its full kit, not just a portion of it.

I did shin ex on my rdm yesterday to get some practice before I go in to heal it (I don't wanna be bad). The whm and Astro seemed to have had a hard time. I kept an eye on them both after dying to unavoidable damage over and over. I was driven nuts from my pet peeves. They kept wasting their ES and over healing, weren't shielding, they were really really slow. The whm seemed to not be doing anything but using medica and medica 2. Their HPS was really low (bout half of the ast tho ast was over healing severely), and their DPS was low for how low their healing was, so it just seemed like they weren't doing much. I wasn't a healer, but you bet I noticed their mistakes. I ended up leaving because the healers just couldn't handle it. Think I'll stick to healing after that experience...

[ViolaCrossfire]

As a healer I hate healing on shinryu. O3S is easier for me. It's not because I have done it less. It's because most of these mechanics are frustraring to heal. The first earth breath for example. If the same dps/healer also gets targeted by akh rhai (50% of the time) you have to identify it in less than a gcd and heal them so they don't die to ice storm. All while a tank is getting mauled and you need to watch for your own akh rhai. Piss poor design if you ask me.