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    Player
    ViolaCrossfire's Avatar
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    Viola Crossfire
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 70
    As a healer I hate healing on shinryu. O3S is easier for me. It's not because I have done it less. It's because most of these mechanics are frustraring to heal. The first earth breath for example. If the same dps/healer also gets targeted by akh rhai (50% of the time) you have to identify it in less than a gcd and heal them so they don't die to ice storm. All while a tank is getting mauled and you need to watch for your own akh rhai. Piss poor design if you ask me.
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    Player RiyahArp's Avatar
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    Riyah Arpeggio
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Surprisingly, hard content is hard and you can't find a lot of people to do it well.
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Shiva
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    Surprisingly, hard content is hard and you can't find a lot of people to do it well.
    I rather say the good players stick to their static or close circle of acquaintances/friends that they can rely on for clearing it.
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    Last edited by Arrius; 12-13-2017 at 08:37 PM.

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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saberlink View Post
    Hi, recently I doing Shinryu Ex and other raid/trials using my AST. Sadly, my healer partner unable to cooperate with me until excessive amount MP use by me and my partner MP seems like 90% full.
    The key here is to communicate. Assuming that it's entirely your partner's fault is also the wrong approach and a rather unhelpful mentality to take.

    First up, quite frankly, the current trials are indeed solo healable with some effort and experience. Whilst not everyone can be expected to play at that level, it's still a simple and indisputable fact that if you're burning through your MP at that rate then there's every chance that you are doing something wrong. Are you remembering to keep Lumi Aether on cooldown? Are getting good value out of your oGCDs?

    It's wrong to attack your co healer's standard of play when there's every chance that you've got just as much room to work on your own. Record yourself with Shadowplay or ask a friend to upload a log for you and have a proper look over, there's plenty of people here on the healer forums that are happy to give you honest and fair suggestions and advice with a provided log or replay.

    Lastly, if all else fails, it's time to open up the comms with your co healer and ask them to fill in the gaps you can't cover yourself. I assume you can type Japanese right? If you can't, then again, you only have yourself to blame.
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 12-13-2017 at 07:38 PM.

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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    I have 100% same experience with this fight. I recently posted this in Tales from Duty Finder thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    Healing Shinryu ex clear party as WHM. Well, trying to. People are dying to AoEs. I see I'm healing for 9k HPS, my partner AST for 5k. I can't say this so instead I say "I feel like I'm just spamming AoE heals and it's still not enough." AST says "Me too!" Arrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh.
    I admit from the start I'm not the best healer there is right now, since I'm currently BRD main, but I have mained it from Coil to Alexander and have healed OS1-OS3 and all previous Extremes, and know how to plan my ability use. I can handle my own part, but I'm not good enough to carry another healer through when they just. don't. heal. (or don't heal at correct times and refuse to apply shields). I hate saying at level 70 things like "you should use Medica II sometimes!" or "you should apply shield before the huge AoE hit!"... I've pretty much decided not to do this fight anymore without a healer partner I know and just farm OS4 weapons instead, that's probably easier anyways...
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    Estelle9lives's Avatar
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    Estellise Ciel
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    I have 100% same experience with this fight. I recently posted this in Tales from Duty Finder thread:

    I admit from the start I'm not the best healer there is right now, since I'm currently BRD main, but I have mained it from Coil to Alexander and have healed OS1-OS3 and all previous Extremes, and know how to plan my ability use. I can handle my own part, but I'm not good enough to carry another healer through when they just. don't. heal. (or don't heal at correct times and refuse to apply shields). I hate saying at level 70 things like "you should use Medica II sometimes!" or "you should apply shield before the huge AoE hit!"... I've pretty much decided not to do this fight anymore without a healer partner I know and just farm OS4 weapons instead, that's probably easier anyways...
    To be fair, Shin Ex is perfectly healable with less than 8k effective HPS (both healers combined) throughout the fight. It's less about hard numbers and more about how each healer is applying their toolkit that makes a huge difference. The AST could be healing for 7k and things would still be clutch if they were never using mitigation when the situation called for it.

    Not criticizing your play or anything btw (as it was likely the AST's fault if they weren't mitigating), just a little observation about HPS.
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Estelle9lives View Post
    To be fair, Shin Ex is perfectly healable with less than 8k effective HPS (both healers combined) throughout the fight. It's less about hard numbers and more about how each healer is applying their toolkit that makes a huge difference. The AST could be healing for 7k and things would still be clutch if they were never using mitigation when the situation called for it.

    Not criticizing your play or anything btw (as it was likely the AST's fault if they weren't mitigating), just a little observation about HPS.
    Yeah I believe that, but this was practice, and there were a lot of mistakes and unoptimal tank play to be covered. I'm sure there's a lot of valid critisism to be placed on my healer play too though! You're right though, it's not that much about HPS, it's about using correct heals and abilities at correct times that was the trouble. It was just frustrating for me because I felt like I was literally doing all I could in that situation.
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    Last edited by Taika; 12-13-2017 at 08:59 PM.

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    Momotaro Popotaro
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    Quote Originally Posted by popotaro View Post
    Got you covered

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    Cakellene St
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    Quote Originally Posted by popotaro View Post
    You smell what Michael is cooking?
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