Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[SenorPatty]

Ok…a few things because I’m slightly irked...

Well just cuz its PotD doesn't mean...

Let's put it this way: imagine you're partied with me, the smn, and two other dps and we start potd. All I do is ruin 2.

Tripped on a mob trap and could use some aoes? Ruin 2
Someone triggers an explosive trap and dies? Ruin 2
Could take the time to at least summon a pet? Ruin 2
Best part is I'm sitting at a comfy 20/20 on floor 80+

I mean yeah, its Potd and we shouldn't expect even average gameplay there but I can completely understand Lammas' frustrations especially when he pointed out some other skill he could use.

[sqwert]

Gonna throw myself under the bus here. I just recently started playing again and for some reason didn't realize I could raise during combat. Thought it could only be cast out of combat.

Did Titan HM for MSQ and other healer died. Few others died too. Fight kept going and other healer was like "Sqwert save me!" and I didn't, I didn't even see the message because I was too busy scrambling to keep the remaining people alive. I died too. We managed to BARELY win the fight, like 2 dps's left just desperately doing whatever they could. I felt terrible even though I thought I didn't have any choice. Immediately after I went to google and searched "ffxiv raise during combat" just to make sure I was correct, I was not. Now I swiftcast/raise whenever someone dies. Learned my lesson, sorry other healer.

[Avatre]

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Those things happen. The fun one is when you have a RDM in the party, and it's level synced to below 64(when Verraise is available), and everyone is bashing on the RDM because they aren't helping to raise people who flat out refused to move out of AoEs. Always fun to tell them to look up Verraise and get back to you on why a RDM can't help at that level(it's usually 50/60 content this happens in).

[Lammas]

Ok…a few things because I’m slightly irked. You blacklisted someone because of their attacks..in POTD, and nothing else? I know you mentioned that you were new, but generally, that’s how POTD goes. Always expect players to do the barest minimum in there because a vast majority of them are either there to boost their aetherpool levels, or are trying to get past floor 50 so they can do some level grinding on floors 51-60. I dunno…if Quick Nock was the only reason that you blacklisted him, that was a bad reason..specifically speaking about POTD, of course. In a regular dungeon, that’s a different story.

Second thing, blacklist doesn’t exactly prevent other players from joining your party through roulettes or instance queuing.

Uhhmm? I blacklisted him because he got on my nerves and I didn't want to play with him again. How's that a bad reasoning (aside from the fact that it doesn't stop it from happening, which BTW I did notice myself when I queued into him again)? And I'm not sure why it tickles you? I said nothing to the guy aside from wondering about his single target QN spam and then just rode that wave of crap to the end.

Third, POTD isn’t a regular dungeon – like I said earlier, don’t be expecting players to treat it like a regular dungeon. The mobs are barely alive long enough to get off a full set of rotations once you level into the 50-60 range inside of there.

It's not like I don't understand POTD being fundamentally different. But you are making an assumption there: stuff was dying painfully slow and it's not like the people withstood the blows very well either. The BLM was the only one putting out some real damage. Archer could've done less, actually, and he woudn't have been so annoying. (you can't spam quick nock forever and you can stand nice and still without grabbing everyone by spamming, say heavy shot instead).

Fourth, I can understand players running off and grabbing aggro – that is incredibly annoying, but it’s not uncommon either. Just do your best inside, and treat it as a testing ground. Like I said, you will run into some players who just do the bare minimum needed to get to the next floor...it's just no need to go full out like one would in a dungeon.

I'm fairly sure I never said I expected coordinated, perfect play. I've played it enough to have seen good players do their bare minimum and that involves fast floors, skipping mobs, not necessarily perfect rotations but at least pressing a couple of buttons that probably aren't one of the worst choises, not grabbing all extra mobs from all rooms and generally not doing the worst performance possible on all possible fields. I kinda thought that things like this were what this thread was for?

[KaivaC]

Response to SenorPatty

It also depends on what floor too. Obviously, once you hit the 50-60 range inside, you need to do more than just basic skills, because you increase your chances of dying. But at the same time, I was commenting that specifically for PoTD, 1-40, you should not expect DPS to unleash one or two weaponskills. Would it be nice: absolutely. We a lot of us experienced players know that is not the case.

I'll add more to this just to clarify my stance. If you're beyond floor 70 and you are doing minimum, like the Quick Nock skill, then I'm likely to kick you myself, because at that point, you can't coast through anymore. If you aren't treating this like a dungeon and doing your jobs (DPS'ing, healing, tanking) at floor 101+ and just using one weaponskill on a mob and nothing else, then a kick and a blacklist is pretty much justified.

[KaivaC]

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I actually had that once in World of Darkness. I was RDM and the healers who got killed by the final boss' huge beams kept asking me to rez. I told them that I couldn't and next thing I know, one of the tanks mentions that they weren't kicking me out of the party. They got into a brief argument over the chat log about my "refusal" to raise and I told them that Verraise is a Level 64 skill. Got accused of being lazy and a liar, but thankfully I had some folks in the party who explained that to them.

Didn't matter - they ended up rage quitting, but we got the win.

[KaivaC]

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Ugh....multi-quotes are the bane of my existence on these forums. Why must you torture me so?

I'll just sum up my response in short. Yeah, this is definitely a vent thread. Nothing wrong with what you posted at all - I just gave my opinion on certain parts, but that was all. I'd have just kicked the BRD, to be honest. But I probably would've asked him why he was only doing one skill - the kick would follow depending on his answer (if he gave one) and how long it was taking (wasn't sure how long it was taking you guys from your original post).

[Tridus]

Had the worst Rabanastre run I've ever seen last night. Yes, worse than in the first week. I think we had a full bingo card of awful:

1. Most of my group was turned into a snowman by Mateus. I didn't know that was a thing that could happen.
2. All three Aqua Spheres survived on the first attempt, which led to a spectacular wipe and required people to explain in chat that you need to, you know, kill things. Group DPS was very slow in general, fights went into sequences I hadn't seen before because they were going on so long. But only four people were even attacking our sphere, and two of those were healers.
3. Getting people to go to their letter marker was brutal in general, which after a double stack marker wiped out Alliance A on Hashmal resulted in someone explaining that in chat too, and a couple vote abandon attempts with the requsite "stop spamming that, just leave if you want" after the second one.
4. We had "that guy", the melee DPS who dies so many times on the third boss that the healers stop raising him. This was NOT the new guy, who honestly did pretty well considering the hot mess around him.
5. We had the requisite mentors who didn't explain anything to the new guy (a couple other people did that instead once we realized there was a new guy). One of the mentors was doing flagrantly wrong things and dying a lot, and that was before they started arguing with one of the tanks about where said tank was on parsers during the last boss.. This should really count as two spots on the bingo card, but "awful mentor" is virtually a meme at this point.

We did manage to get it done, largely because the MT was awesome and there were enough people not dying constantly that stuff would eventually go down, but ugh. There were a lot of attitude problems, which made it even worse than it had to be. If SE wants to fix the mentor system, they could start by stripping it from people like that.

[Meui]

I've heard and read about so many stories regarding synced RDMs getting harassed for not popping vercure/verraise.

Was in WC when our healers died during Ozma, and our BLM kinda hinted that maybe I should rez them. I told them "I wish I could" and they asked me why I couldn't since RDMs get verraise. Correct, we do. But I and one of the healers let them know it was a level 64 spell.

Seems to be a fairly common occurrence, unfortunately.

[Kleeya]

Considering that my first reflex as a synched-under-64 RDM was, when the only healer died, to spam verraise, asking myself "uh , why doesn't it work ? maybe some lag, i will try again... what's this red message ? Oh i see, i don't have this skill right now anymore...", it doesn't surprise me that other people are making the same mistake

Had the worst Rabanastre run I've ever seen last night. Yes, worse than in the first week.

With Rabanastre's coins giving now 340 weapons upgrades, i know some players who are usually only into crafting, housing and such who were like "omg, this is tempting to try it now, but i really dont feel like watching beforehand a lengthy video guide to see how it is working...". So you can indeed expect to have some troublesome runs these days