Eight Fixes to Make These Changes Good.

[DeadRiser]

I like how a large majority of the 50 Mages are loving the changes and he's the one complaining about them.

He's barely a mage which astonishes me (from what I can see in his sig). I just wish people would stop complaining before it gets patched. Now somebody made a thread about that white mage ability when it's not for another 2-3 months of being implemented. I mean sheesh people.

[Kiote]

Your "opinions" as you call them have no real merit seeing as you have not seen how these changes affect the classes.

Are you really so ignorant as to not understand that these forums exist to discuss pending changes so the Dev team knows how we feel about them?

[Kiote]

He's barely a mage which astonishes me (from what I can see in his sig). I just wish people would stop complaining before it gets patched. Now somebody made a thread about that white mage ability when it's not for another 2-3 months of being implemented. I mean sheesh people.

I'm a Level 36 Thaumaturge and a Level 32 Conjurer. I play every job in the game. If you hadn't noticed, this thread is about all of the classes. Not just the mages.

[DeadRiser]

Are you really so ignorant as to not understand that these forums exist to discuss pending changes so the Dev team knows how we feel about them?

How you feel about them before they are implemented and before you know how they work? Yeah, makes total sense.

[grandm]

This is a one shot deal. If these ability set suck, we are stuck with them. These forums are for expressing opinions about the game. If fine to say you don't agree, but you don't have the right to tell me not to express my opinion.

anything that needs fixing will be fixed after the patch, how can you ask for them to change things before you have tried then? you have no idea how they will impact the game, lets just say for one crazy minute they listen you and go back and change all these points, this would mean redesign of con, pug, and lancer, well that would take awhile. then they would have to test it and balance it again, that would take another while, and oh yes did any1 really want 2.0 in about a year, because its been delayed to redesign three classes. because OP knew they were broke before he even tried them.

i wonder how long the dev's have worked on these changes and tested them for, they need to be hiring ppl like OP cause he can look at something and in a few hours work out it won't work and decide how best to change it to fix it before he even tried it

[Kiote]

How you feel about them before they are implemented and before you know how they work? Yeah, makes total sense.

They specifically asked us to discuss these changes before they are implemented so they can make adjustments.. Maybe you should read and not just ignorantly troll peoples threads.

[DeadRiser]

anything that needs fixing will be fixed after the patch, how can you ask for them to change things before you have tried then? you have no idea how they will impact the game, lets just say for one crazy minute they listen you and go back and change all these points, this would mean redesign of con, pug, and lancer, well that would take awhile. then they would have to test it and balance it again, that would take another while, and oh yes did any1 really want 2.0 in about a year, because its been delayed to redesign three classes. because OP knew they were broke before he even tried them.

i wonder how long the dev's have worked on these changes and tested them for, they need to be hiring ppl like OP cause he can look at something and in a few hours work out it won't work and decide how best to change it to fix it before he even tried it

Thank you.

OP if you didn't read what he said, in essence you are slapping SE in the face by saying you don't want this change after all the work they've put into this.

[zaviermhigo]

Re read the changes like 5 more times, they won't seem that bad. I'm a thm I lucked out, my bf a Gladiator slowly but surely is starting to come around on his class after this, except they gave too many tanking abilities to other classes that will still be able to DD while GLD can't dd as effectively and will probably not be able to tank as well post this patch. But we need to see this stuff in practice. I'm more pumped about jobs and classes in the mid game content right now, then leveling for sure though. Leveling sounds like a readjustment process, I wonder if they'll increase fight length, mob defense, and such, make combo timers and chain timers lengthened, sorta closer to xi. The battle system while leveling is a basic zerg mob dies in 30 secs, not giving people to effectively learn how to combo.

The fact there are no tiers to is really saving this system also. If the class doesn't translate directly to the job that's fine, but for the most part I think they did a good job on the class translating to the job. Lol on splitting the nukes. But wtf on GLD ws from behind, i don't know a lot of tanks willing to give up hate for a couple seconds to do a planned combo ws from behind, they're control freaks, that's why they tank lol, but the first ws from the front makes up for it, they'll come to realize that.

[Kiote]

Re read the changes like 5 more times, they won't seem that bad. I'm a thm I lucked out, my bf a Gladiator slowly but surely is starting to come around on his class after this, except they gave too many tanking abilities to other classes that will still be able to DD while GLD can't dd as effectively and will probably not be able to tank as well post this patch. But we need to see this stuff in practice. I'm more pumped about jobs and classes in the mid game content right now, then leveling for sure though. Leveling sounds like a readjustment process, I wonder if they'll increase fight length, mob defense, and such, make combo timers and chain timers lengthened, sorta closer to xi. The battle system while leveling is a basic zerg mob dies in 30 secs, not giving people to effectively learn how to combo.

The fact there are no tiers to is really saving this system also.

I'm pretty curious about the Combo System myself. As it stands, none of my party fights last more than a few seconds. What use it a Combo if everything dies after the first skill. I'd say they were for bosses, but most of the Bosses in this game Require you to constantly avoid high damage skills.

[DeadRiser]

FYI OP, (I saw this posted in another thread)

There are only like 9 abilities posted for the War classes and about 12 for the Magic classes. Still a couple missing