Would you like an in-game parser?

[Oscura]

The more you go on and complain that people not on your side are harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

I presume you're referring to pro-parsers, which is a bit of a strawman, since I don't recall anyone saying they're being harassed for being pro-parser. More specifically, it was just people calling pro-parsers toxic, and then in the same post throwing out insults.

Also, because people can't agree on something it means that parsers shouldn't be supported, or because people who want parsers keep arguing and/or defending their point against people who don't, that suddenly they can't be trusted? Do you even realize how ridiculous this sounds? Yet I'm supposed to trust every doom-sayer who talks as if parsers will bring about the end times and how there will be constant harassment and everyone who uses one will be super toxic and mean to me?

Also, just saying. "The more you go on and complain that people not on your side and harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted to not whine about parsers." It goes both ways. Even if it was brought up in a calm, polite manner addressing the objective fact that someone is doing less than their class should be, or demands.

I'm going to do my best to ignore how entitled and self-centered it sounds to imply that players need to earn "trust," to use parsers. You can't even trust most players to do mechanics properly, doesn't mean they're not allowed to keep attempting the content and screwing it up.

[Zarabeth]

I presume you're referring to pro-parsers

And you would be wrong in that presumption. I'm referring to both sides. As to the rest of your post I said none of that. You are putting your own words in there, not what I said.

Also if I were not doing my job in game, I would want to be told (preferably nicely). I always welcome tips. I try to always do the best I can in whatever job I'm playing. I played FFXI for over 7 years where you'd get kicked from a party if you so much as showed up with less than +1 gear in every slot, let alone slack off. I spent years doing Dynamis, Sky, Sea, etc. And I've never needed a parser to tell me if I'm doing well. If you need one, get act or whatever program and go nuts with yourself.

Really I don't care if you all argue till the end of time on this parser thing. SE has made it abundantly clear that it will not happen. I was just pointing out that you are proving their point in not adding it. You are all so quick to jump about nothing. Well have fun for another 47 pages and see where that gets you.

[Oscura]

You are putting your own words like trust in there, not what I said.

could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

You are referring to both sides but you specifically mention that the community "could never be trusted," to not use a parser to harass others. As if the disagreement has anything to do with it, or implying people who want to use parsers will likely do so in a negative fashion. It's just an incredible assumption.

[HyoMinPark]

And you would be wrong in that presumption. I'm referring to both sides. As to the rest of your post I said none of that. You are putting your own words like trust in there, not what I said.

All of you arguing in this thread for so many pages is EXACTLY why there will never be a parser in game. The more you go on and complain that people not on your side are harassing you just proves the point that you can't play well together and could never be trusted not to use a parser to harass others.

You mentioned trust, actually.

[Oscura]

Really I don't care if you all argue till the end of time on this parser thing. SE has made it abundantly clear that it will not happen. I was just pointing out that you are proving their point in not adding it. You are all so quick to jump about nothing. Well have fun for another 47 pages and see where that gets you.

I don't care whether or not parsers are officially supported as long as ACT is a grey area. I'm just tired of people posting ridiculous things. I'm not "jumping about nothing," it's just I'm sick of people making generalizations with no proof or even research, simply just garbage thrown out with no meaning except to force their argument down people's throats.

Also, SE has made it abundantly clear that it will not happen? So simply because SE said it won't happen, people should just give up and stop asking or talking about it? Well, time to give on Blue Mage. Time to give up on instanced housing. Let's not ignore the fact that SE has said they learned their lesson from 3.x MNK with SAM...and they didn't. Not to mention BLM. SE's word is not absolute. It never is. The same way that it was mentioned FC and personal housing would be separate, it can always change in the future.

Also, you say "have fun for another 47 pages," this thread was necro'd. Most of the posts in this thread are by players who have been banned from the forums or no longer post actively here. The only reason this thread has so many pages is because it has been over a very long period of time. As with every thread, I'll eventually get bored of responding and move on. It doesn't mean there won't be more participants, and you shouldn't shame people for wanting to participate in the discussion. Regardless of whatever side of the debate they're on.

I have to wonder when people will get off constantly shaming people for disagreeing or having discussions on a forum of all places. It's just super pretentious.

[Miste]

It doesn't mean there won't be more participants, and you shouldn't shame people for wanting to participate in the discussion. Regardless of whatever side of the debate they're on.

I have to wonder when people will get off constantly shaming people for disagreeing or having discussions on a forum of all places. It's just super pretentious.

Yeah...you echo my sentiments about that completely so there is much agreeness to be had.

I too always wonder why people do that. It's like going to a meet and greet party and a few of the guests met up and are crowded around in a corner having a fun civil discussion about some topic you happen to not like so you waltz over butt in and tell them to stop wasting their time talking about that silly subject. Sounds ridiculous right, yet I see people do pretty much that on this forum constantly.

I mean sure no one is probably going to be able to stop you from voicing whatever opinions you want to voice, but don't be surprised if you get called out for rudeness if you go out of your way to say things that are entirely unnecessary and possibly quite rude.

[HyoMinPark]

Also if I were not doing my job in game, I would want to be told (preferably nicely). I always welcome tips. I try to always do the best I can in whatever job I'm playing. I played FFXI for over 7 years where you'd get kicked from a party if you so much as showed up with less than +1 gear in every slot, let alone slack off. I spent years doing Dynamis, Sky, Sea, etc. And I've never needed a parser to tell me if I'm doing well. If you need one, get act or whatever program and go nuts with yourself.

Objectively speaking, how do you know if you are doing as well as you think you are doing without a tool that shows you hard numbers? Unless you are referring to other aspects of your job, like utility aspects. Serious question here, because I am curious.

Really I don't care if you all argue till the end of time on this parser thing. SE has made it abundantly clear that it will not happen. I was just pointing out that you are proving their point in not adding it. You are all so quick to jump about nothing. Well have fun for another 47 pages and see where that gets you.

SE also said that tanks would never be able to block magic damage, that housing would remain FC only, and that said housing would never have a feature implemented like the auto-demolition timer. What SE says is not necessarily law; they’ve been known to say things one Live Letter, and then a few patches or even an expansion later, go back on what they said because of community demands.

All this being said, you aren’t really doing yourself any favors by continuing to pop back into this thread to bicker with us. If this is all so “pointless”, then why do you keep coming back to the thread? Or are you just looking to get in a “last word”, if you will?

Nice stealth edit about the “trust” thing, by the way.

[Zarabeth]

Nice stealth edit about the “trust” thing, by the way.

No stealth needed, you all just jumped right in while I was still editing to add what I wanted to say. Anyhow, carry on.

[Dualgunner]

No stealth needed, you all just jumped right in while I was still editing to add what I wanted to say. Anyhow, carry on.

You seem to have a tendency of dropping back behind "That's not what I said" and "You just didn't get the point." If this happens often, maybe it's on you for not clarifying your meaning. Maybe it would be better to have your thoughts in their entirety written down before posting partials; if you did that, then you wouldn't have people "jumping right in while you're still editing". Especially when you edit to change fundamental points presented in the post, such as "I didn't use the word trust".

[HyoMinPark]

No stealth needed, you all just jumped right in while I was still editing to add what I wanted to say. Anyhow, carry on.

You added more to your post but took out the line about trust after you were called out on it.

I’m still waiting for an answer to my question, though.