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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    Beside the internet (and that is not intirly true), a lot of things are indeed forbidden because of the use that can be done of them. That aside, if SE do add a parser, i want a way to report cancerous parser user like we can for RMT, sorry.
    Can I have a way to report cancerous anti parsers as well? Given recent history that might be more used. And no, it is entirely true that not everbody uses the internet correctly. Or at least, not in a healthy and supportive way.

    Name me one tool humanity has evet conceived that cannot be misused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Can I have a way to report cancerous anti parsers as well? Given recent history that might be more used. And no, it is entirely true that not everbody uses the internet correctly. Or at least, not in a healthy and supportive way.

    Name me one tool humanity has evet conceived that cannot be misused.
    Why asking? you know as much as i do there's none. And sure, both behavior are not correct, having a simple to report harsh behavior would be better and shouldn't be limited to parse related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    Why asking? you know as much as i do there's none. And sure, both behavior are not correct, having a simple to report harsh behavior would be better and shouldn't be limited to parse related.
    You do know harassment is already reportable right? Introducing a parser wouldn't change that to the point where parse harassment wouldn't need its own specification.

    Hence my request, which was more highlighting the silliness of both requests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    You do know harassment is already reportable right? Introducing a parser wouldn't change that to the point where parse harassment wouldn't need its own specification.

    Hence my request, which was more highlighting the silliness of both requests.
    It is, but it's also a pain to do so as the formular si long, the way you report RMT is fast and neat.
    It's not that silly when you see how chat is in game now.
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  6. #1855
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    It is, but it's also a pain to do so as the formular si long, the way you report RMT is fast and neat.
    It's not that silly when you see how chat is in game now.
    The big difference here is you won't need to report a mob of players for parser harassment in the same way you would for rmt, and you need to provide details in the report for harassment.

    Making parse harassment as easy as right click > report would just lead to gms either doing nothing about genuine reports, or taking the nuclear option in which case it's be way too easy to accuse someone of parse harassment just because you dislike them.
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  7. #1856
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    The big difference here is you won't need to report a mob of players for parser harassment in the same way you would for rmt, and you need to provide details in the report for harassment.

    Making parse harassment as easy as right click > report would just lead to gms either doing nothing about genuine reports, or taking the nuclear option in which case it's be way too easy to accuse someone of parse harassment just because you dislike them.
    You said it yourself by talking about misuse. It already happend with RMT report. so harrasment report this way wouldn't change much things. Just making it easier. When you try to farm you encounter a lot of cancerous player and it take too much time to report them for pple to actualy do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    You said it yourself by talking about misuse. It already happend with RMT report. so harrasment report this way wouldn't change much things. Just making it easier. When you try to farm you encounter a lot of cancerous player and it take too much time to report them for pple to actualy do that.
    Fair enough on that point I suppose.
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    My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment. If something is done about that point, i'm fine with parsing, It's not like i'll be forced to play with it.
    I know that harrasment aren't parser only, but people are people and it's bond to happend. As simple and stupid as that...

    Edit : you may not agree HyoMinPark, but it'll still be my opinion.
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    Last edited by LyraKuroneko; 12-11-2017 at 02:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment. If something is done about that point, i'm fine with parsing, It's not like i'll be forced to play with it.
    I know that harrasment aren't parser only, but people are people and it's bond to happend. As simple and stupid as that...
    And harassment is bound to occur WITHOUT a parser. Like it already does. It's not like if parsers became "legal", the GMs would suddenly be okay with harassment.

    Stop blaming the tool for the actions of PEOPLE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    My main problem with the parser, like i said before, is harrasment.
    I agree that parsers can have problems and that's why I'd like it to be restricted to specific content and made optional. When it comes to the harassment issue, it is very subjective and that's why it would be difficult to judge whether harassment increases from the use of an official parser. People would disagree on what even counts as harassment, as they already do. Some think that any comments about dps are harassment, some think that kicking is harassment and some don't think even rude comments are harassment as long as they are based on facts. That last type of person would not agree that harassment has multiplied alongside with parser use because they think harassment was at zero to begin with.

    So in order to measure harassment we would first have to agree on what parser harassment is. Here's a question to everyone: would the following (currently forbidden topics) count as harassment if we assume the group is capable of clearing the fight? And what if the group is not capable of clearing?

    - You're doing lower dps than the OT, step it up. (Judging by comparing to another role)
    - Lol the SAM is below the BRD. (Judging based on job, mocking)
    - If the healer did more dps we would do better. (Adding dps responsibility to other roles than dps)
    - All you gray percentiles are being carried. (Judging based on relative performance)
    - Your weapon is better than mine yet I do more dps, please git gud. (Judging based on gear)
    - Sorry, you're not doing enough damage so we're going to let you go. (Kicking)
    - Don't take that player, he's done bad dps in previous runs. (Talking trash about someone to other players)
    - You're doing shit dps, have you considered uninstalling? (Swearing, rude comments)
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