Would you like an in-game parser?

[Taika]

How many people, who raid Savage (for example) are against parsers? Haven't seen too many, honestly.

I'd like to extend this question to "How many people who raid Savage / Ultimate and are performing well are against parsers?" Because I have seen people who do (at least the lower floors of) Savage and are against parsers - while often being in the bottom 10% of the players of their job. Which honestly makes it seem like they're arguing against parsers because they don't want others to be able to see they're being carried through the content. The better option would of course be to take that data and use it as a tool for self improvement.

p.s. Not too many people parse in FF XIV, especially when it's "PC exclusive" feature.

There are currently 181 707 public parses for OS1 alone, each covering 8 players. If you don't find that common, I'm not sure what would be enough for you.

[akaneakki]

p.s. Not too many people parse in FF XIV, especially when it's "PC exclusive" feature.

A warrior outdpsed 3 dps in v1s yesterday and only beaten by 20 dps by a drg who never died too. Ilvl requirements doesn't do a huge difference as people say it is. People often put higher ilvl for ''more'' dps. This wont even give you any more good dps unless youre a good player. Maybe a slight dps increase if you are not as good.

[Dzian]

Last time I did OS4 with a pug I had a DD who was doing 3600 DPS. They did 0 mechanic mistakes and had 0 deaths. We beat the fight, but if everyone would have been playing like they did, we would not have been able to beat the fight. Now some of us were performing much higher and we were able to carry them through. Does that seem fair to you?.

To be honest if he never died and never made any mechanical mistakes you can't really fault the guy that much.

I mean sure his dps might have been a bit low but I'd rather have that guy in my group than a guy who's screwing up mechanics and putting the rest of the party in jeapordy / causing wipes because he doesn't know what to do.

And if you cleared the fight it's all good. You could have replaced him with a guy that does more dps but screws up mechanics and thus caused your group several wipes and prevented you from clearing.

[Taika]

To be honest if he never died and never made any mechanical mistakes you can't really fault the guy that much.

I don't agree. I think (in Savage / Ultimate / Extremes!) it's the responsibility of every party member to aim to perform well enough so that if everyone else would play like you, the party would be able to beat the fight (if it's a clear or farm party, not learning). Handling mechanics is a part of that, but so is DPS. It's not right to make your group work extra hard because you can't do your own part. It shouldn't be a choice between a party member who can't handle their DPS rotation and a party member who can't handle mechanics - we should be able to expect both at this level of content (again, when it's a farm / clear party, not practice).

That said, if I had known their DPS beforehand, I would still have taken them in (since I knew I had people who were able to carry, and the person would have gotten a chance to improve their rankings). However, they had hidden their rankings, which means they were aware of their exceedingly low performance and instead of being honest about it, had chosen to hide it from others. That's what I don't appreciate. They should have just done more practice and improved their performance before sneaking in to weekly farm groups.

[akaneakki]

And if you cleared the fight it's all good. You could have replaced him with a guy that does more dps but screws up mechanics and thus caused your group several wipes and prevented you from clearing.

Clone the guys dps into 3 others and it wouldn't be cleared.

[MoroMurasaki]

I mean sure his dps might have been a bit low but I'd rather have that guy in my group than a guy who's screwing up mechanics and putting the rest of the party in jeapordy / causing wipes because he doesn't know what to do.

If you're saying you'd rather have someome with slightly lower DPS but who is very proficent at mechanics over someome who has higher DPS but is eating avoidable damage everh chance they get I'm with you for 99% of content.


What you have to understand is that the enrage timer (in a fight that has enrage) is also a mechanic. Tbe DPS that Taika mentions did have one mechanical error - they weren't beating enrage.

Now since the group was strong they still cleared the fight but in the same train of thought a strong group could likely compensate for someone less well versed in mechanics (to an extent, I know O4S is very mechanic heavy) because a good group is a good group no matter the circumstances.

Just remember - it's all well and good to want to include everyone but in doing so you may find you're punishing yourself for no real benefit. If Taika's group had been comprised of 4 mechanically sound 3600 DPS players that run would have wiped to enrage every time. It's the other 7 people in the group who made that clear happen.

[Dzian]

However, they had hidden their rankings, which means they were aware of their exceedingly low performance and instead of being honest about it, had chosen to hide it from others.

That also depends. All my stuff is hidden on fflogs for example. Because the things I'm in on there don't represent a full picture of my performance. There's 2 parses of Susan ex for example neither of which were terribly good long drawn out fights with lots of deaths and things from players not doing mechanics so my dps looks low and paints a bad picture.

Thing is I've done that fight some 70 times so 2 parses out of 70 doesn't in any way make for an accurate representation of my play.

And there's 4 v1s on there 3 are terrible because the whole group was bad and 1 was good.

And even though I do parse myself occasionally I do not upload to fflogs because I generally dont care about epeening my performance. Even the good v1s where I might be 1200 dps ahead of the rest of the group.

But again done that fight I dunno how many times now. So 4 uploaded parses doesn't paint an accurate picture of my abity there either.

In my view if fflogs is going to paint an accurate representation of my ability then I pretty much have to parse and upload every fight I do and to be honest I just can't be bothered with that hassle. And it's also impossible given I also use ps4 quite a lot So I just hid the whole lot simply because it's easier to do.

I know quite a few people who have done the exact same thing for the exact same reasons.

[Taika]

There's 2 parses of Susan ex for example neither of which were terribly good long drawn out fights with lots of deaths and things from players not doing mechanics so my dps looks low and paints a bad picture.

But if someone was to look at those parses, they would see the DPS and amount of deaths of everyone else in that group and would be able to put your performance in that context, right? They can also see when the fights were parsed (if it's a long time ago, you may have had more kills since then). And on the other hand, if you were to have several recent kills in really good parties and still have a really low performance, that would tell something as well. The numbers of course have to be put in context.

Of course people can hide their logs for other reasons than trying to hide the fact they're bad, but in my case example I'm fairly certain they were doing just that. In any case, I don't see any advantage in hiding them for anyone.

[CreinCrein]

Gonna say maybe not because visible numbers might impose expectations on a playerbase that plays the game solely for fun rather than for optimization. ACT already exists though it's unfortunate that PS4 players don't have access to it. Publically visible parsing would be akin to seeing people's incomes floating above their head, can lead to feelings of inadequacy or stress where it shouldn't be; a game. I have a "you do you, I'll do me" mentality about it though.

[Taika]

Gonna say maybe not because visible numbers might impose expectations on a playerbase that plays the game solely for fun rather than for optimization.

But what if this feature is only offered as an optimal addition for the content where the these expectations are already set by the game itself? Savage, Ultimate and Current extremes (in other words, the current Raid Finder content only).