Prohibit the advertising of content sales via the cross-server PF

[akaneakki]

Thoughts?

You have no proof people buy with RMT gil through PF and you also have to know most just put the PF up without cling that one button, yes I know it take less than 5 seconds. But that happens to me too. I honestly refuse to take money from people from other servers as well.

[Vnolan]

People also try to recruit for FCs cross-server. People try to sell houses cross-server. People try to recruit for treasure maps cross-server.

Why assume this is all about RMT? Seems just as (or more) likely that people are just ignorant, oblivious, or just dumb.

There are players that mistakenly have the data center option checked when listing stuff that only applies to the server, but they're few and far between, are not all the same type of listing, don't require interested parties to contact them outside of the game and it's not the same people doing it. Also, they don't know to not advertise server-specific content across the data center, but they know to select duties such as Lak, Sus and Expert Roulette to maximize visibility? Of the people who mistakenly list hunts, treasure hunting, sales of crafts and the like, how many have you seen use the wrong duty? I can't recall any.

Its their buisness and frankly I dont see why you'd get offended by that.

Read the thread, people. It's in the title and one of my responses on the first page: The advertising using the cross-server party finder, NOT the selling itself. Ain't nothing SE can do about sales, regardless of payment method used.

I get your RMT-argument, and yes, RMT is a problem but this isnt RMT, its selling clears.

Across servers. That requires buyers to use real money or to buy gil and have it sent to that server.

And heres the thing now: You dont knwo 100% that there is RMT or real money involved - its extremly likely, I'll grant you that (and my best guess aswell).

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We don't know 100% that the player is botting, so it should be allowed and it shouldn't be reported? The majority of player botting is done as shown.

Spoilers: It's one of the so-called advertisers while their pf is up across the data center.

Or the buyer is required to get the money to them somehow - and if its transfering servers.

Pay real money to transfer servers after going through the hassle of having yourself meet the requirements, or use that money to buy gil and have it sent to the seller? Hmm.

You have no proof people buy with RMT gil through PF and you also have to know most just put the PF up without cling that one button, yes I know it take less than 5 seconds. But that happens to me too. I honestly refuse to take money from people from other servers as well.

Context for people not on Aether: At it's peak, there are 5+ advertisers in the cross-server pf at the same time. You'd be hard pressed to find 5 incorrect listings like you describe in total. It's the same people from the same servers.

I'll reiterate the ending of my OP: I'd love if they add filters to hide the listings, but look at the response they received in regards to housing in 4.1. They knew within a day or two and announced they have a fix in mind, but it'll be 3.5-4 months later. Fingers crossed the pf will get an update in 4.2.

[Jxnibbles]

Very obvious ways to get around the cross server yes its a large hassle but it is possible.

Player A sells Runs to player B. Player B pays a dummy account gil or items. Player A then sells items and gets straight gil and holds it on the dummy account on the server.

Now lets assume a third player wants to move to a server that has said dummy account on it, Player C can give gil to Player A then server transfer for whatever reason and get the gil from Players A dummy account. This isn't really Rmt it is trust trading and is a way to get around the issue..

Also yes Rmt could and usually is involved at some point but unless you have actual proof with ingame logs nothing will be done.

[akaneakki]

There2.

I can know it can be annoying etc. On my old server where we also sold content and still do with them through my alt when people across server ask us, we tell them we won't do it and usually the guy who does put up the pf, doesn't care if its through world or server, however if I do use the PF I make sure it's only world

[Kurando]

I've noticed this quite a lot, and honestly if the seller and buyers are on the same world then find they can do whatever they want, but never understood how this arrangement works when it is a cross-world party. Regularly the ones i see are cross party so based on what quite a few posters have mentioned so far, something is up with that, whether it could be trading real life stuff or passing the account over to someone else for the clear (I'm sure account sharing is against the T&C as well?).

I doubt they could ever be removed from the PF, but a better filter would be nice. Sellers are just picking any duty/trial and then just amending the description to make their advertisement.

[NephthysVasudan]

There are 2 glaring points here.

1: This is cross-world. - how the hell are they getting the gil?
2: They demand Discord only communication or out of game.

Now I have to ask....why?

Because that just screams suspicious. What do they have to hide?

Doesn't take a 3 year old to figure this out people.

[Zeonsilt]

There are 2 glaring points here.

1: This is cross-world. - how the hell are they getting the gil?
2: They demand Discord only communication or out of game.

Now I have to ask....why?

Because that just screams suspicious. What do they have to hide?

Doesn't take a 3 year old to figure this out people.

4 months ago i asked on my server how much they charge for only last boss clear (with weapon+mount included) without the first 3 bosses, and the price was 150mil Gil at that time, probably less now.

You can't transfer that much amount of Gil and even if you did(for example, buying Nightmare Whistles and resell it), you will suffer heavy Gil loss from that.

At this point 99% of the cross-server "selling runs" advertisements are RMT-based. You also can't use your Discord logs to prove it to SE that some people sells runs for RMT, be aware of that & they will never talk about RMT in-game.

I also known a lot about this since i was a pretty "experienced" person in World of Warcraft. There's much more on that matter, though, it's not for this forum.
Cheers.

[NephthysVasudan]

And that just proves my point.

[HyoMinPark]

4 months ago i asked on my server how much they charge for only last boss clear (with weapon+mount included) without the first 3 bosses, and the price was 150mil Gil at that time, probably less now.

You can't transfer that much amount of Gil and even if you did(for example, buying Nightmare Whistles and resell it), you will suffer heavy Gil loss from that.

Just want to point out that you can transfer that amount of gil relatively easy and in non-convoluted ways. The person selling can either invite you to their FC and ask that you deposit the gil into their FC chest (easiest way), or they list some random cheapy item on the MB and tell you to go to the appropriate city-state to buy it/them (e.g., they list 3 Iron Ores for 50 mil a piece + any MB taxes and tell you to go to Gridania and buy them). Content sales doesn't always mean RMT.

These sellers aren't going to go away. Hence why I tell people to just ignore them. It's not that difficult to ignore them.

[SerLuke]

Content sales doesn't always mean RMT.

Unless they are cross world selling which the only way to pay is RMT.

These sellers aren't going to go away. Hence why I tell people to just ignore them. It's not that difficult to ignore them.

People shouldn't have to ignore it though, there's no reason why these people should get away with mis-listing stuff under Expert Roullete and Lakshmi EX, its abusing party finder, if they wanted to list their sales under no listing that would be fine I think a lot less people would complain about it. But intentionally mislisting stuff is just annoying and something the GMs should address, people have no right to be listed higher in PF just cause they want to make large amounts of gil.

Very obvious ways to get around the cross server yes its a large hassle but it is possible.

Player A sells Runs to player B. Player B pays a dummy account gil or items. Player A then sells items and gets straight gil and holds it on the dummy account on the server.

Now lets assume a third player wants to move to a server that has said dummy account on it, Player C can give gil to Player A then server transfer for whatever reason and get the gil from Players A dummy account. This isn't really Rmt it is trust trading and is a way to get around the issue..


Also yes Rmt could and usually is involved at some point but unless you have actual proof with ingame logs nothing will be done.

That doesn't work because the amount of gil you can transfer between servers is very limited, 10 mil per character and 5 mil per retainer, if these guys are charging 150 a mil per run like someone earlier said there's no practical way that would work.