Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[InkstainedGwyn]

I'm also still confused in the end as to why the relics need to be the same ilvl as the savage/raid weapons. If you're not using it to clear raids, then... you don't need the absolute max? And if you are clearing raids then... get the savage/raid weapons.

If you don't need it, it shouldn't matter, and if you do need it you should do the work (raiding) to get it. I love the fact that XIV lets me acquire most things I like/want without having to do the supreme ultimate content, but I also only want the stuff I need. Extra ilvl on a weapon just for the sake of having it is a ridiculous reason.

And if you want it to make your savage/ultimate/raiding easier, well... that's not the purpose? The ilvl weapon is the reward for putting in the work.

[SuperZay]

I'm also still confused in the end as to why the relics need to be the same ilvl as the savage/raid weapons. If you're not using it to clear raids, then... you don't need the absolute max?

Extra damage is never wasted. For example I'm soloing A ranks in off hours when nobody comes to help. I'd rather do it in 30 seconds than in 1 minute.
In the long run higher ilevel accumulates to a lot of saved time, even if you don't raid, be it expert roulette and bird farm.
And time saved shouldn't be exclusive to raiders.

[Treima]

I'm also still confused in the end as to why the relics need to be the same ilvl as the savage/raid weapons. If you're not using it to clear raids, then... you don't need the absolute max? And if you are clearing raids then... get the savage/raid weapons.

If you don't need it, it shouldn't matter, and if you do need it you should do the work (raiding) to get it. I love the fact that XIV lets me acquire most things I like/want without having to do the supreme ultimate content, but I also only want the stuff I need. Extra ilvl on a weapon just for the sake of having it is a ridiculous reason.

And if you want it to make your savage/ultimate/raiding easier, well... that's not the purpose? The ilvl weapon is the reward for putting in the work.

You don't get to tell others what they need or don't need.

[HyoMinPark]

You don't get to tell others what they need or don't need.

Except they’re right? You don’t need an ilevel 345 weapon even to clear Savage, much less clear any content that’s not Savage. The only content that really called for it is Ultimate.

That being said, again, it’s about making sure the developers don’t completely invalidate a set of weapons. Release a Relic in the same patch as a new Savage tier, with the same ilvl as a Savage weapon, and the Savage weapons are immediately invalidated. Why get them when you can get a Relic instead?

[KaldeaSahaline]

"Mindless grinding" is a phrase that encapsulates Raids in FFXIV, too, you know. There's just less of it (vs the Relic weapons), and the patience factor has as much to do with other people as anything else.

Doing content that is near impossible to fail and requires no more thought or effort than simply pushing any key you feel like on the keyboard is NOT the same as current EX/Savage/Ultimate raiding.

It's a matter of being engaged. To me nothing below EX's engages me as a player. I need adversity to keep me engaged which is why Relic weapons are cancer for me. If I could accrue one by raiding I would support that.

Honestly the ilvl on it is completely irrelevant. Hell, the ilvl on all gear in this game is honestly irrelevant it's so bland. They simply just have better models 85% of the time. That's why I posed the idea of putting the really cool models with flashy effects behind raiding to test to the waters, and see if the majority community was ok with the Allagan spear as the reward for their long grind, instead of the Zodiac/Anima one.

Wow that's a rudely worded post

You decided to be offended by my post, without actually putting an iota of effort into analyzing it or offering a single counterpoint?

Don't be a walking stereotype. Nothing about it was worded "rudely". Saying "low skill" isn't rude. It's a simple fact. If someone said I'm a "low wage earner" that's not rude, it's a fact.

I don't know what to call/describe the majority playerbase other than based on skill. Casual isn't the right word because most of these players play on average 10x more than me in a given week. That's quite literally the furthest thing from casual.

Now that I've got that out of the way, would you care to enlighten me with some insight on the actual topic, that I posted?