Selling Runs and Clears

[Dualgunner]

Well like I said earlier it wouldn't bother me as much if people weren't intentionally mis-listing this stuff under Expert Roulette/Lakshimi Ex/etc and cluttering PF just because someone is skilled enough to sell clears doesn't give them the right to abuse PF.

Okay but who does that really harm? It's an annoyance at worst to unrelated and uninterested people.

[SerLuke]

Okay but who does that really harm? It's an annoyance at worst to unrelated and uninterested people.

You could say its the same as seeing RMT spam every time you port in a main city, SE doesn't tolerate that nor should it be tolerated, I don't want to see sale listings everytime I open PF to see who needs help.

[Dualgunner]

You could say its the same as seeing RMT spam every time you port in a main city, SE doesn't tolerate that nor should it be tolerated, I don't want to see sale listings everytime I open PF to see who needs help.

RMT affects the economy in a negative way, causing harm. Cluttering PF a bit harms nothing. I'm sorry you don't want to see sale listings; I don't much like seeing advertisements, but I've gotten good at ignoring them.

inb4 "But people RMT to buy the clears", they RMT for houses and gear too. Should SE ban themselves for putting houses up, or crafters for selling gear?

Shouting RMT adverts in Limsa Lominsa doesn't harm anyone either and it's annoying at worst. Yet they are banned for the simple reason that such behavior is against the rules. People buy this game with the expectation that other players around them will not be allowed to behave in forbidden ways. If those rules aren't enforced then why have them at all?

Are RMT banned for shouting in Limsa, or for real money trading? Are they banned for being annoying in shout chat, or for actively harming server economy?

Not sure what you are trying to get at with that last point, people have gone to GM jail for trying to sell housing over PF.

My point is, I care very little about "cluttering" the party finder. But go ahead and start reporting people en masse; you might get some raiders banned, or at least sent to GM jail, and clean up that PF of yours a bit.

Also, if someone is using cross server PF to advertise clears to people on different servers, how do you think they are getting paid since you can't trade gil across servers?

I have no clue. It's also none of my business. So go ahead and get to reporting.

[SerLuke]

RMT affects the economy in a negative way, causing harm. Cluttering PF a bit harms nothing. I'm sorry you don't want to see sale listings; I don't much like seeing advertisements, but I've gotten good at ignoring them.

inb4 "But people RMT to buy the clears", they RMT for houses and gear too. Should SE ban themselves for putting houses up, or crafters for selling gear?

Not sure what you are trying to get at with that last point, people have gone to GM jail for trying to sell housing over PF.

Also, if someone is using cross server PF to advertise clears to people on different servers, how do you think they are getting paid since you can't trade gil across servers?

[Reinha]

Are RMT banned for shouting in Limsa, or for real money trading? Are they banned for being annoying in shout chat, or for actively harming server economy?

They are banned for breaking the rules (real money trading). Just like the people selling clears cross-server (RMT) or buying clears by account sharing should be. Getting carried for free or for gil is not forbidden or harmful so there's no problem with that.

[SerLuke]

They are banned for breaking the rules (real money trading). Just like the people selling clears cross-server (RMT) or buying clears by account sharing should be. Getting carried for free or for gil is not forbidden or harmful so there's no problem with that.

Exactly this, if they are giving account info its a TOS violation, and if they are buying or selling clears from cross server groups with real money then its literally RMT and needs to be dealt with as such.

[Reinha]

Okay but who does that really harm? It's an annoyance at worst to unrelated and uninterested people.

Shouting RMT adverts in Limsa Lominsa doesn't harm anyone either and it's annoying at worst. Yet they are banned for the simple reason that such behavior is against the rules. People buy this game with the expectation that other players around them will not be allowed to behave in forbidden ways. If those rules aren't enforced then why have them at all?