Selling Runs and Clears

[Reinha]

Are RMT banned for shouting in Limsa, or for real money trading? Are they banned for being annoying in shout chat, or for actively harming server economy?

They are banned for breaking the rules (real money trading). Just like the people selling clears cross-server (RMT) or buying clears by account sharing should be. Getting carried for free or for gil is not forbidden or harmful so there's no problem with that.

[SerLuke]

They are banned for breaking the rules (real money trading). Just like the people selling clears cross-server (RMT) or buying clears by account sharing should be. Getting carried for free or for gil is not forbidden or harmful so there's no problem with that.

Exactly this, if they are giving account info its a TOS violation, and if they are buying or selling clears from cross server groups with real money then its literally RMT and needs to be dealt with as such.

[Reinha]

Okay but who does that really harm? It's an annoyance at worst to unrelated and uninterested people.

Shouting RMT adverts in Limsa Lominsa doesn't harm anyone either and it's annoying at worst. Yet they are banned for the simple reason that such behavior is against the rules. People buy this game with the expectation that other players around them will not be allowed to behave in forbidden ways. If those rules aren't enforced then why have them at all?

[Aerlana]

Selling run against gil are not against ToS.
I didnt see any part of ToS that says you cant have an afk in the run.
Nothing else to give freely gils to another people with no reason.
and nothing to trade an help against gil...

RMT are against tos because it is forbidden to trade in game things against real things. (so real money vs in game money. real money vs in game service ... )

There is ethical matter with runselling, but not legal matter...

[Kaethra]

So what's worse?

The person who buys a run to get a slight gear upgrade to show off.

Or the one who cares about the one who bought it being better than them?

I put both in the same boat personally.

[CreinCrein]

Don't really see a reason to scream ban for account sharing, it already happens extremely often outside of sales with raiders finding pilots for their accounts to help fill in when they can't make it. There's no harm in it, just mutual benefit.

[thegreatonemal]

its a thing that happens in most mmos though this one has very little reason to do it

[spagthetapdancer]

can we at least agree that Squeenix ought to be able to punish them for listing a party as Expert Roulette just to maintain visibility? it's blatant false listing.

[Dualgunner]

can we at least agree that Squeenix ought to be able to punish them for listing a party as Expert Roulette just to maintain visibility? it's blatant false listing.

Is false listing against any rules?

[spagthetapdancer]

Is false listing against any rules?

I'm not certain but I firmly believe that it ought to be. would there be an issue if it were added to the list of rules?