Selling Runs and Clears

[CreinCrein]

Sure it's impossible to 7 man ultimate, but it's also impossible to prove that account sharing is happening through the sale. IMO ToS aside, people who have cleared ultimate can have free reign to sell however they want. As long as there is mutual benefit from the exchange I don't personally have any problem with it, similar to how ACT is a widespread benefit to the raiding community but against the ToS I guess.

[Dualgunner]

And that's exactly why some people are saying these listings should be barred from PF, not only people mis-list them under the wrong headings intentionally but selling Ultimate Coil makes it clear they are doing something against the TOS and should be banned.

I concede my earlier stance; I've only ever actually participated in 7 man sells, I was unaware of the 8 man practice.

While I personally disagree with the idea kf banning them, if you feel this way then it sounds like you have a lot of reporting to do.

[SerLuke]

I concede my earlier stance; I've only ever actually participated in 7 man sells, I was unaware of the 8 man practice.

While I personally disagree with the idea kf banning them, if you feel this way then it sounds like you have a lot of reporting to do.

Well like I said earlier it wouldn't bother me as much if people weren't intentionally mis-listing this stuff under Expert Roulette/Lakshimi Ex/etc and cluttering PF just because someone is skilled enough to sell clears doesn't give them the right to abuse PF.

[Zarabeth]

Unless you go check these out on discord you don't know if it's RMT or not. As of last december cross server parties can be made. If anyone is foolish enough to give out their sign in information for getting a dungeon done, they kind of deserve whatever happens to their account.

Also, selling clears is not against tos at all. Think about it, the whole game revolves around adventurers making gil from doing quests.

[SerLuke]

Unless you go check these out on discord you don't know if it's RMT or not. As of last december cross server parties can be made. If anyone is foolish enough to give out their sign in information for getting a dungeon done, they kind of deserve whatever happens to their account.

Also, selling clears is not against tos at all. Think about it, the whole game revolves around adventurers making gil from doing quests.

If they are asking for account info like an earlier post said they know people who do it is very much a TOS violation. Also I see PF listings from different servers selling clears, how are they making gil when you can't even trade gil to people in a different server? Its RMT.

[Zarabeth]

If they are asking for account info like an earlier post said they know people who do it is very much a TOS violation. Also I see PF listings from different servers selling clears, how are they making gil when you can't even trade gil to people in a different server? Its RMT.

If you see them asking for account info then report them. That was kinda my point about checking them out on discord. But those who are selling runs for gil are not violating TOS.

[Dualgunner]

Well like I said earlier it wouldn't bother me as much if people weren't intentionally mis-listing this stuff under Expert Roulette/Lakshimi Ex/etc and cluttering PF just because someone is skilled enough to sell clears doesn't give them the right to abuse PF.

Okay but who does that really harm? It's an annoyance at worst to unrelated and uninterested people.

[SerLuke]

Okay but who does that really harm? It's an annoyance at worst to unrelated and uninterested people.

You could say its the same as seeing RMT spam every time you port in a main city, SE doesn't tolerate that nor should it be tolerated, I don't want to see sale listings everytime I open PF to see who needs help.

[Dualgunner]

You could say its the same as seeing RMT spam every time you port in a main city, SE doesn't tolerate that nor should it be tolerated, I don't want to see sale listings everytime I open PF to see who needs help.

RMT affects the economy in a negative way, causing harm. Cluttering PF a bit harms nothing. I'm sorry you don't want to see sale listings; I don't much like seeing advertisements, but I've gotten good at ignoring them.

inb4 "But people RMT to buy the clears", they RMT for houses and gear too. Should SE ban themselves for putting houses up, or crafters for selling gear?

Shouting RMT adverts in Limsa Lominsa doesn't harm anyone either and it's annoying at worst. Yet they are banned for the simple reason that such behavior is against the rules. People buy this game with the expectation that other players around them will not be allowed to behave in forbidden ways. If those rules aren't enforced then why have them at all?

Are RMT banned for shouting in Limsa, or for real money trading? Are they banned for being annoying in shout chat, or for actively harming server economy?

Not sure what you are trying to get at with that last point, people have gone to GM jail for trying to sell housing over PF.

My point is, I care very little about "cluttering" the party finder. But go ahead and start reporting people en masse; you might get some raiders banned, or at least sent to GM jail, and clean up that PF of yours a bit.

Also, if someone is using cross server PF to advertise clears to people on different servers, how do you think they are getting paid since you can't trade gil across servers?

I have no clue. It's also none of my business. So go ahead and get to reporting.

[SerLuke]

RMT affects the economy in a negative way, causing harm. Cluttering PF a bit harms nothing. I'm sorry you don't want to see sale listings; I don't much like seeing advertisements, but I've gotten good at ignoring them.

inb4 "But people RMT to buy the clears", they RMT for houses and gear too. Should SE ban themselves for putting houses up, or crafters for selling gear?

Not sure what you are trying to get at with that last point, people have gone to GM jail for trying to sell housing over PF.

Also, if someone is using cross server PF to advertise clears to people on different servers, how do you think they are getting paid since you can't trade gil across servers?