Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[Sylvina]

The relic grind has never compared to the amount of effort across an entire team that goes into an Ultimate Coil clear. Yes it's just one clear, but the work that goes into that clear is significantly more involving than semi afk grinding various things whilst watching netflix aka past relics.

If anything, I'm slightly disappointed the Ultimate coil weapons didn't get a small cheeky weapon damage or iLvl boost, it'd motivate more groups to actually try it for sure.

They get 3 materia slots thats enough for me. I'll be getting one eventually now that i have a raid group to clear things with and I don't mind that at all.

And even if it doesnt compare with the TEAM effort for clearing ultimate coil, its still far more PERSONAL grind which should make it the best weapon. maybe not by very much and maybe another weapon could be similar and act as a substitute if you dont like the relic grind, but that's how it should be or no one will do the relic grind.

[Sebazy]

its still far more PERSONAL grind which should make it the best weapon.

You’re grossly underestimating how much of a challenge endless is =(

[Kitfox]

You’re grossly underestimating how much of a challenge endless is =(

This. And don't forget that you need all of Savage cleared and really good gear to even attempt Ultimate.

Relics are a joke in comparison.

[Sylvina]

You’re grossly underestimating how much of a challenge endless is =(

It doesn't matter if people can clear it in less grind than a completed relic weapon. and I will see for myself after my static finishes with O4s. that's what we're doing next.

DPS check + Avoid the fire check =/= Hard content.

The only "difficult" part of raids is dealing with the ego/elitism, that is why most people don't do it. Plus they know that in a few months the next ilvl gear will come out making all the time wasted in raids just that, wasted time.

Don't think that your wasted time is any better than another persons wasted time. You are just wasting your time...

I disagree with this since I've done some savage and have seen how many mechanics happen at once. But I totally agree that the most difficult part of raiding is finding a group which doesn't have the jerks raiding has become famous for.

Elitism will kill raiding dead someday and those raiders who also happen to be scumbag elitists will only have themselves to blame for why MMO companies gave up on raiding
and decided to cater only to the easier to please crowd (some of the casuals who don't bother)

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I disagree with this since I've done some savage and have seen how many mechanics happen at once. But I totally agree that the most difficult part of raiding is finding a group which doesn't have the jerks raiding has become famous for.

Elitism will kill raiding dead someday and those raiders who also happen to be scumbag elitists will only have themselves to blame for why MMO companies gave up on raiding
and decided to cater only to the easier to please crowd (some of the casuals who don't bother)

Tell us how you really feel.

Unfortunately, for you, there will never come a point where raiding dies off. Why? Because it's among the things that drives these types of games. Funny enough, I see far more elitism coming from wannabe-top tier raiders than actual good players.

I am sick of the toxic mentality some people have insisting raid gear is the only gear which means anything.

One requires you beating the hardest fights in the game, Alte Roite notwithstanding. The other... allows you to mindlessly spam faceroll easy dungeons.