Is it time for relics to be the same ilevel as savage weapons?

[PArcher]

The relic should be the best weapon in the game given how much effort you put into it. More than some people put into savage weapons for sure. Even Ultimate Coil only needs ONE clear to get a weapon, while the Relic takes months of grind.

Time =/= effort. Relics are always a mostly mindless grind, and as long as you can 1-2-3 decently you can get one.

Only relic stage that was ever hard was killing Titan Hard at 2.0 launch...and since then, there have been no hard steps to the relic at all. They've either been a time-sink or money-sink. And neither is honestly comparable to the effort raiders make clearing raids

EDIT: If relics actually required raiding, that would be another story...and would also prevent 95% or more of the playerbase from getting them. As it is, best weapons and armor should belong to those who need them and put in the real effort to getting them.

[Bobs]

Time =/= effort. Relics are always a mostly mindless grind, and as long as you can 1-2-3 decently you can get one.

EDIT: If relics actually required raiding, that would be another story...and would also prevent 95% or more of the playerbase from getting them. As it is, best weapons and armor should belong to those who need them and put in the real effort to getting them.

DPS check + Avoid the fire check =/= Hard content.

The only "difficult" part of raids is dealing with the ego/elitism, that is why most people don't do it. Plus they know that in a few months the next ilvl gear will come out making all the time wasted in raids just that, wasted time.

Don't think that your wasted time is any better than another persons wasted time. You are just wasting your time...

[PArcher]

DPS check + Avoid the fire check =/= Hard content.

The only "difficult" part of raids is dealing with the ego/elitism, that is why most people don't do it. Plus they know that in a few months the next ilvl gear will come out making all the time wasted in raids just that, wasted time.

Don't think that your wasted time is any better than another persons wasted time. You are just wasting your time...

If raiding is so easy, why haven't you done any?

Elitism will kill raiding dead someday and those raiders who also happen to be scumbag elitists will only have themselves to blame for why MMO companies gave up on raiding
and decided to cater only to the easier to please crowd (some of the casuals who don't bother)

Welcome to low-to-mid tier raiding. Where everyone thinks they're the best even when they can barely execute a basic rotation properly. Its really funny how everyone thinks the top-tier raiders are elitists when they're not, they just want to have content to challenge them. Its those who think they're good that have the egos, and want things catered to them (see all the people who can't clear O4S but want to run Ultimate. Those are your elitists. Just like the vast majority of Mentors...)

[basketofseals]

DPS check + Avoid the fire check =/= Hard content.

The only "difficult" part of raids is dealing with the ego/elitism, that is why most people don't do it. Plus they know that in a few months the next ilvl gear will come out making all the time wasted in raids just that, wasted time.

Don't think that your wasted time is any better than another persons wasted time. You are just wasting your time...

Yeah man, it only took two weeks to down Unending Coil and and entire month to down Gordias because people just couldn't be nice to each other.

[HoodRat]

Yeah man, it only took two weeks to down Unending Coil and and entire month to download Gordias because people just couldn't be nice to each other.

Being nice: the true endgame.