DPS is the job of DPS.

[Sorriow]

Of all of them, "easy" isn't.

Given that most dungeons are easy by default and are pretty heavily gimped down by the players gear level / max itemsynch, the element of challenge outside of savage content is reasonably low. As I mentioned in the post you're quoting but sadly/conveniently cropped out, people are more often than not encouraged to improve and the attitude ranges widly between grateful acceptance for advice and rudeful spite.

I have never, in my >15 years of mmo experience, witnessed a moment where people, outside of the hardest endgame content, get shamed for asking for advice and actually use it to turn them into a better player.

The real problem lies with people who straight out refuse to optimize. Check my other post, there are multiple reason why that is an issue.

Bottom line: If you don't want/try to push the best out of you, you have it coming to get shamed/insulted/kicked out of a party in a multiplayer setting.

[Reynhart]

Of all of them, "easy" isn't.

Then chose between "fast" and "smooth"

The real problem lies with people who straight out refuse to optimize.

The problem also lies with people who don't have the patience to teach other. If your new healer/tank tries to manage a mass pull and the group wipes once or twice, most people will just bail out.

Now, admittedly, reporting aside, they are technically free to do that; we can't systematically defend against such except by punishment after the fact. But in any reasonable situation not already reportable, does "majority rule" as a basic description fall apart?

The problem with the majority is that not all roles bear the same responsibility, so they don't express their opinion based on the same premise.

[Miste]

The problem also lies with people who don't have the patience to teach other. If your new healer/tank tries to manage a mass pull and the group wipes once or twice, most people will just bail out.

It is awesome when people offer to teach you in a game like this, but you shouldn't expect it from everyone. No one has the obligation to set aside time from their game time/life in order to teach a complete stranger how to play their role/job in an online game. You shouldn't have that kind of expectation.

I mean I do help people when I can, but I also don't always want to be spending my time teaching people either. I pay my sub to play the game and have fun too and teaching others isn't always part of my agenda.

People need to realize you cannot always rely on other in-game players during an instance to teach you. There are plenty of online resources you could use to further your own learning about a role or job or you could even use /shout in a populated map or use PF to see if someone is available who has time to set aside to help you out. During a run is the worst time to expect everyone else to teach you a lot of basics about your job. It's great when a party is okay to do so, but you cannot always expect it.

Sort of like these players that go into EX Primals in DF then ask for all the mechanics to be explained to them.....I don't understand these types of players. If you were just going to make someone else type out all the mechanics when we enter the duty why didn't you just look up a guide online first? It's the same result and you can learn at your own pace and get way clearer explanations then having some poor other player get sore fingers typing out all that information for you during the run and making everyone wait.

[Jijifli]

The problem also lies with people who don't have the patience to teach other. If your new healer/tank tries to manage a mass pull and the group wipes once or twice, most people will just bail out.

Quick story: During a leveling roulette.

I'm a mentor, there's a sprout healer. We're going through the dungeon and they are spamming medica like crazy. Nobody's really hurt, but they spam it anyways, draining mp away. Me, a mentor, picked up on it. I kindly explain why spamming medica is a bad idea. "Hey, just wanted to mention spamming heals when people are full health isn't very good for your MP. Try pacing it out a bit so that you'll have mana for longer fights." Want to guess the response? "SHUT UP I KNOW MY JOB I'M A HEALER YOU'RE A BARD GO **** OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE"

So yes, there are people that don't bother helping... and some of them are because they're tired of getting that as a response for so much as stating they did something wrong. I didn't even SAY to dps. This is common. Spamming cure and I mention it's killing MP, or Medica in this case too? Get yelled at for caring about healer dps despite not stating it. Tell a tank he needs to use cooldowns for the buster because he's taking too much? Get yelled at because he thinks I'm telling him to drop tank stance with it. Tell a dps he's misusing a key ability and it's hurting his dps? Get called a parsing elitist and "reported" for it.

[Reynhart]

Want to guess the response? "SHUT UP I KNOW MY JOB I'M A HEALER YOU'RE A BARD GO **** OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE"

That's why I mentionned :

If I meet someone new and willing to learn, I will adjust my pace to him

So yes, there are people that don't bother helping... and some of them are because they're tired of getting that as a response for so much as stating they did something wrong.

I'm not that discouraged...yet. And I'm sure I will get bored of the game itself before.