DPS is the job of DPS.

[HyoMinPark]

My OP was kind of flamebait anyways. The whole point was that only people who don't care about DPS would interpret it correctly, while the people who didn't hold that view would naturally assume I somehow didn't understand that "More DPS = better always". I was poking at people who get hung up on DPS, essentially.

Baiting people isn’t exactly the best way to engage in debates or conversations, nor does it particularly place yourself or your arguments in a favorable light (this will persist into future arguments given that people are knowledgable of your previous “flamebait” posts). Also, are you assuming that your “DPS doesn’t matter” mentality is the correct one? I think that’s been proven to not always be the case.

[Miste]

What's hypocrite is you phrasing it like having no expectations is an expectation. When I go into DF, I'll do with whatever I'm matched with, or I take responsibility and leave, unless it clearly violates one of the 4 explicit reason for kicking someone.

So if you go tank in a dungeon and the 3 others in there ask you to do big pulls and you don't want to, do you leave then so they can get a tank willing to compromise? Or do you take the sacrifice and adjust even if it isn't what you personally want to do?

If you had no expectations then you should not expect not to get kicked if 3 people want the run to go one way and you stubbornly refuse to adjust to majority (which you openly said you do not have to adjust your playstyle to majority). The fact that you have the expectation not to ever get kicked for differing playstyles is an expectation. So you are wrong that you have "no expectations" so no that is not being hypocrite....since you do have an expectation.

[NocturniaUzuki]

HyoMin, I also don't really care if you don't care about my arguments, because no matter what I say, you will try to discredit it. Game forums are generally not a place to go looking for serious arguments, because almost everything degrades into "You're wrong because XYZ, and XYZ is true because [I] believe they are true."

[akaneakki]

I'll adjust my playstyle based on my analysis and understanding. If I know the healer is not comfortable with mass pulling, or the party setup is very weak when its comes to AoE, I won't do a speedrun just because someone doesn't want to spend 5 more minutes in a dungeon.

Sometimes its not 5 mins more like 10, even 15. Every class at 70 now have great aoe and it's there to be used. I had an amazing DRG doing insanely good DPS the other day in skalla, how come I can't see SMNs who are grandmaster of aoe in dungeons now with big pulls? I will say it again EVERY CLASS has AOE. I've done 2 melees expert roulette where we do it faster than 2 smn or 1 smn plus a BLM or even a RDM. It's how you play the class and honestly it's not about wanting your own playstyle, those buttons aka aoes are there to be used not ignored.

[HyoMinPark]

HyoMin, I also don't really care if you don't care about my arguments, because no matter what I say, you will try to discredit it. Game forums are generally not a place to go looking for serious arguments, because almost everything degrades into "You're wrong because XYZ, and XYZ is true because [I] believe they are true."

I don’t really need to “discredit” your arguments after you openly admit to baiting people.

Anyways, have a wonderful evening.

[Oscura]

no matter what I say, you will try to discredit it.

Game forums are generally not a place to go looking for serious arguments, because almost everything degrades into "You're wrong because XYZ, and XYZ is true because [I] believe they are true."

The irony of you discrediting people debating their opinions or sharing their ideas on the forums is not lost on me.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I think we'll have to argue on lala vs nonlala tank instead.

I think all tanks should be lalas, because they look yummier so more mobs want to go after them.

*nods*

Nothing teaches tanking better than every monster in the world coming after you like you're a sack of krispy kreme donuts.

[Reynhart]

So if you go tank in a dungeon and the 3 others in there ask you to do big pulls and you don't want to, do you leave then so they can get a tank willing to compromise? Or do you take the sacrifice and adjust even if it isn't what you personally want to do?

I'll explain to them why I won't do a speedrun, and if they don't understand, they'll have to deal with it or make a team with additionnal requirement. But, on the other hand, if I want a speedrun and the party won't handle it because of the tank or the healer (depending of the job I queued with), I'll either leave or deal with a slow run.

The fact that you have the expectation not to ever get kicked for differing playstyles is an expectation.

No, it's a violation of valid kick reason, that SE just don't want to investigate. If they ever add "Different Playstyle" in the kick window, I'll tak the kick without an issue...but it's the same as blatantly saying "kick all you wan't, we won't monitor it"

[Sebazy]

No, it's a violation of valid kick reason, that SE just don't want to investigate. If they ever add "Different Playstyle" in the kick window, I'll take the kick without an issue...but it's the same as blatantly saying "kick all you wan't, we won't monitor it"

It's pretty doubtful they have the GM manpower to sit there and monitor all vote kicks TBH, they'd be sat there looking at Rabanastre runs all night long

Seriously though, if you ask to be kicked, the group does so and then someone reports that, you will get a temp ban for doing so. Whereas if you get kicked over a difference of play styles and that gets reported, the GMs will not take any action over it as long as both parties were civil. SE's willingness to investigate doesn't come into this.

[Cakekizyy]

It's pretty doubtful they have the GM manpower to sit there and monitor all vote kicks TBH, they'd be sat there looking at Rabanastre runs all night long

Seriously though, if you ask to be kicked, the group does so and then someone reports that, you will get a temp ban for doing so. Whereas if you get kicked over a difference of play styles and that gets reported, the GMs will not take any action over it as long as both parties were civil. SE's willingness to investigate doesn't come into this.

I would assume they only monitor if there is a report.