Petition to Lift Balmung Server Lock / Impact of Server Lock on FFXIV RP Community

[Oaken]

The argument that we don't know how SE handles its server is speculation? You do understand that you literally just said that somehow, the player base knows how SE handles its servers despite how there's zero way to prove that. LOL

Please explain how your thought provoking response is distinguishable from: "the server is locked because SE says its locked and SE is right because it says its right."

I'm clearly not picking up on the subtle intricacies of this complex argument.

[ElasmoFan]

I can only point back to the arguments made in the OP, which have not been rebutted or addressed in any meaningful capacity (don't worry - it's because the arguments are sound and raise valid points).

lol are you even serious right now? You're arguments are all baseless and without a shred of proof. You've presented nothing to support them, you're literally fear mongering without any proof that anything you've said is actually happening. By all means, if you want to provide arguments on substantial loss of subs or the viability of the RP communities then bring some data along to support your arguments. SE has no need to show you proof nor to humor you and your disbelief. They've shown with Gilgamesh reopening that they aren't just perma locking but waiting for the right time.

[MoroMurasaki]

Only on the internet would a tautological argument deplete of foundation and evidence (i.e. - SE IS SE AND IS RIGHT BECAUSE IT IS SE AND SE SAYS SO) be confused with "reasoning" or construed as "opinion."

I can only point back to the arguments made in the OP, which have not been rebutted or addressed in any meaningful capacity (don't worry - it's because the arguments are sound and raise valid points).

Your arguments are not sound. Multiple holes have been poked in all of them. Your delusion here is troubling - either you believe these things or you're dishonest enough to act like you do, neither points to a realistic and grounded worldview.

I won't waste any more of my time on this, I feel like I've already won because you stopped respomding to my posts (which have avtual points backed by logic and reason) which I take as your recognition that I've proven you wrong.

I will say this though - SE by default has valid opinions on all things related to this game even when we don't like them. It belongs to them, not us. When they take our opinions and thoughts to heart and allow us to help shape things it's amazing but every instance of that is a charity on their part. They don't need to listen to us, plenty of people will play this game either way.

You're wasting your own time, time which would be better spent moving your character to another server. You're clearly miserable, stop trying to make other people miserable too.

[KaivaC]

The amount of blind, uncritical deference to baseless representations made by SE regarding the supposed "excessive population" levels on Balmung is both disturbing and sad.

There is no evidence at the present time of any population problems on Balmung. The crux of the argument for keeping SE locked assumes their undisclosed opinions regarding server stability are valid, and refuses to consider any critical assessment of their business decisions. The argument amounts to little more than the following tautological nonsense: "the server is locked because SE says its locked and SE is right because it says its right." This is not valid reasoning or the basis of any respectable opinion.

The hostility of disinterested members of the community towards opening the server is also disheartening. It's almost like certain people have nothing better to do than post baseless, circular arguments on the internet, and simply cannot understand the concept of voicing valid and reasonable opinions. Sad.

As opposed to you constantly saying 'Please refer to fallacious argument 1...', and yet, the only solution that you apparently continue to come up with is unlocking the server. You keep saying that there's no evidence, but you yourself don't even know what the server numbers actually are. Only Square knows that, and as a business, if they feel that server population is too high to allow any further characters to come in, then it's their right to keep it locked. And please don't quote a third-party census site...is it helpful? Yes. But it is not an official site that is sponsored by Square, so you can hardly use that as your basis.

Nobody has been hostile with you. Mocking, yes. But nobody here is hostile...not myself, not any of the other members thus far that have posted here. And to be fair, plenty of reasonable, acceptable opinions have been posted. Even other Balmung players have agreed with some of what you posted - it's just that you're coming here, posting an essay, and shooting down any reasonable comments that do not line up perfectly with your opinion. That's called riding your high horse, buddy.

[SenorPatty]

Please explain how your thought provoking response is distinguishable from: "the server is locked because SE says its locked and SE is right because it says its right."

I'm clearly not picking up on the subtle intricacies of this complex argument.

YA. GOT. NO. PROOF. AND.YOU.CAME.WITH.NO.PROOF.TO.BEGIN.WITH.


Is that subtle enough for you?

[KaivaC]

lol are you even serious right now? You're arguments are all baseless and without a shred of proof. You've presented nothing to support them, you're literally fear mongering without any proof that anything you've said is actually happening. By all means, if you want to provide arguments on substantial loss of subs or the viability of the RP communities then bring some data along to support your arguments. SE has no need to show you proof nor to humor you and your disbelief. They've shown with Gilgamesh reopening that they aren't just perma locking but waiting for the right time.

I'm going to guess his next response...

It's going to go something like "As I have undoubtedly said when I first began, your argument is baseless. Please refer to fallacious arguments 1 and 2. I have yet to see you provide an appropriate response that is grounded in correct knowledge."

[Oaken]

Your arguments are not sound. Multiple holes have been poked in all of them. I will say this though - SE by default has valid opinions on all things related to this game even when we don't like them. It belongs to them, not us. .

That's funny. I've yet to see a single substantive response that amounts to something greater than, "SE is SE and says server is over-populated, and they are right because they are SE, and SE will determine when the server is unlocked." The only thing that line of reasoning pokes holes into is itself. I can only point to the arguments made in the OP so many times. They are very simple to observe (especially the complete non-existence of server stability problems at the present time).

We are consumers. SE is a business; not a dictatorship. Businesses listen to the suggestions and expectations of consumers. The logic of some folks in this thread defeats the very purpose of a forum.

[Skivvy]

That's funny. I've yet to see a single substantive response that amounts to something greater than, "SE is SE and says server is over-populated, and they are right because they are SE, and SE will determine when the server is unlocked." The only thing that line of reasoning pokes holes into is itself. I can only point to the arguments made in the OP so many times. They are very simple to observe (especially the complete non-existence of server stability problems at the present time).

We are consumers. SE is a business; not a dictatorship. Businesses listen to the suggestions and expectations of consumers. The logic of some folks in this thread defeats the very purpose of a forum.

Our logic is perfectly sound. It seems to be you that is having a hard time grasping the idea that SE gets to call the shots, whether or not we agree. Yes, they are a business, and they do want to keep customers happy, however that does not mean that they have to implement every single demand their player base presents to them.

If and when they want to unlock Balmung, they will do so.

If you are not a troll, next time I would suggest approaching the thread in a far less dismissive and combative manner. The forums are there to open up conversations, which will bring in viewpoints of all types. Shooting down anything you don't agree with as a "fallacious argument" does absolutely nothing but make you look like a 10 year old who is trying to have an adult conversation and failing.

[MoroMurasaki]

That's funny. I've yet to see a single substantive response that amounts to something greater than, "SE is SE and says server is over-populated, and they are right because they are SE, and SE will determine when the server is unlocked." The only thing that line of reasoning pokes holes into is itself. I can only point to the arguments made in the OP so many times. They are very simple to observe (especially the complete non-existence of server stability problems at the present time).

We are consumers. SE is a business; not a dictatorship. Businesses listen to the suggestions and expectations of consumers. The logic of some folks in this thread defeats the very purpose of a forum.

The purpose of this forum is to discuss the game amongst ourselves, not to give SE suggestions. Do you ever wonder why you don't see staff just posting in random threads? Because they aren't monitored apart from reports filed.

SE is right about this because they're the only part of the equation that has all the data. To say that you know better than them about how to run their game is like you walking into a kitchen and slapping the knife out of tge chef's hand because you can clearly cook better than him.

You can't. You don't know better. They've made a wildly popular MMO that competes with WoW. They are clearly very knowledgable. You aren't. Stop acting like you're their equal or like the opinions of some whiny teenagers paying $12 a month are equal to those of the devs who keep this game running.

[KaivaC]

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I don't think he'll agree with anything unless it is for unlocking Balmung and its from a Balmung player, tbh. The other worlds are getting some population growths...but they aren't nearly as important as Balmung, if you listen to threads like these.