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    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    Fixed for realism.
    I mean that's still on the tank for being a dummy. It's also odd that they'd be picky like that; why put the extra effort in for dps if you're not gonna put the extra effort for cooldowns to live and do dps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    I mean that's still on the tank for being a dummy. It's also odd that they'd be picky like that; why put the extra effort in for dps if you're not gonna put the extra effort for cooldowns to live and do dps?
    It's because they expect the healer to adjust. I won't lie, in most situations outside EX/Savage an on-point healer can heal through just about anything, even after near wipe or tank-is-dead situations. Content outside endgame gives a moderate window to recover from those situations so long as you don't panic. I even get the tank philosophy of, "I pull big unless the healer shows they can't handle it."

    The problem though is that unlike stances, there is no penalty for using defensive cooldowns other than the CD timer. Not using them during high damage situations is simply a dick move, and extremely selfish. Their e-peen measurements won't be reduced by helping the healer out a little bit by using those CDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    I mean that's still on the tank for being a dummy. It's also odd that they'd be picky like that; why put the extra effort in for dps if you're not gonna put the extra effort for cooldowns to live and do dps?
    Well my dear Dualgunner

    After lvling my AST from 60-70, doing countless of sirensongs, shisuis, bardams and the occasional...doma? (lvl 67 dgn) and being partnered up with different tanks, I've reached the conclusion that somewhere in the back of their head, there's this thing that convinces them of two things:

    -the best mitigation cds should be saved for oh shiii- moments. (The best part of this here is when it never gets used from start to finish because they kept it mentally in reserve).
    -They literally think the healer can outheal the dmg because for some reason or other, if the mobs aren't hitting as my "insert raid here" joke, then its fine.

    My dear tanks.

    Your cds are not one time per dgn use cds. For example, there's literally 3 places you can use HG in Bardam when you're mass pulling. Saving it for "I'm about to die" is kinda pointless. There are no dgn bosses that will put you in that situation so long as you stick to the basics of engagement (dodging telegraphed attacks, proper cd usage and ofc getting healed). On the other hand, mass pulling has a much higher death rate when you're not using your cds.

    Also my dear tanks, while every healer's potency healing is pretty damn huge...the speed at which they heal isn't. IIRC, Presence of mind and Lightspeed are the go-to skills for rapid healing. We can technically add lustrate from SCH. Really, really nice for that initial mass pull. Not so great for the second mass pull (I'm pretty sure the first two skills I mentioned would still be on cooldown by then.)

    You're not doing anyone any favors when you're saving your defensive skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Healing DRK is literally... the same since ShB. The reason why people think it's a meme to heal nowadays because DRK receives very little to no buff to their sustainability vs 3 other tanks getting something useful. If you're capable of healing DRK back in ShB (or any tanks), then you'll heal EW DRK just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    -the best mitigation cds should be saved for oh shiii- moments. (The best part of this here is when it never gets used from start to finish because they kept it mentally in reserve).
    Since we're talking about df players, I'm 99% certain this isn't the reason why tanks don't use their immunity cds, but in my experience, most healers in expert roulette will continue healing me when I pop living dead...even when I tell them before the pull that I'll be using it. I've seen a whm spam cure 1 on me after I popped ld, and after walking dead came up they immediately bene'd me then went back to spamming cure 1. And either 3 or 4 times I died because the healer would just spam heals as soon as ld goes up, and the incoming damage would barely be more than what they're healing so ld wears off right before I go to 0 hp.
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