DPS is the job of DPS.

[Gemina]

Apologies if it came off as trollish, it just sounded quite absurd to myself at the time.
And you've been healing longer than i have, probably.
I'm pretty much a new player with just about a year's play time now.

No worries. Even though I've been healing since day 1, I've only recently started tanking which is why I asked about the tank stances. Healing tanks doesn't teach me about their mitigation abilities, at least not to the extent as playing one does. That's probably why I snapped at you. But I have been doing it long enough to know when the damage the tank is taking is coming too quick, and that an adjustment is needed.

[HyoMinPark]

Perhaps I didn't fully word it correctly but. Vast majority of the time I run into superman tanks they don't feel the need to use CDs. gotta increase that dps all the way.

That’s just poor play; has nothing to do with a DPS-only mentality. And people that are pro-tanks dropping stance will still say that tanks that refuse to use their defensive cooldowns are as dumb as a box of rocks when they say:

“Why did I die?”
“Did you use a cooldown?”
“No.”
“Then that’s why.”

[Dualgunner]

Then that's on them being dumb. Using cooldowns in no way negatively affects dps.

[Dualgunner]

Issue with your numbers is you're equating healer dps to tank dps. That's not gonna work well since tanks do much more damage than healers. I'd amend your numbers to 20% for tanks and 10% for healers as better ballpark numbers.

[saber_alter]

i would say this thread is poor bait, but there's 13 pages of evidence to refute that claim.

[SenorPatty]

That’s just poor play; has nothing to do with a DPS-only mentality. And people that are pro-tanks dropping stance will still say that tanks that refuse to use their defensive cooldowns are as dumb as a box of rocks when they say:

“Why did I die?”
“Did you use a cooldown?”
“I don't need it for this. This isn't (insert raid here).”
“Then that’s why.”

Fixed for realism.

[Gemina]

Even if Darkside cancels out Grit’s damage penalty, it’s still a penalty. It’s net-zero with Grit+Darkside; it’s +20% with just Darkside. Darkside doesn’t require Grit to be used, and there’s never a reason now to not have Darkside up 100% of the time since they removed the steady MP drain from it. So it’s still a technically a penalty.

In the context that I see, the +20% is a benefit when active, not a 0% penalty when it is not. I do get what you're saying though, and when trying to push tank DPS as much as possible, you are indeed penalized having Grit active. I just have difficulty assigning it the term "penalty"

You technically did:

No. She said, "Umm, there are still damage penalties in Grit. And I never said Grit doesn't have damage penalties. The tooltip clearly defines that it does. I am pretty sure I said with both Grit and Darkside up there is no damage penalty, but as I already said, I understand why there is still a penalty since it is not possible for a tank to cause the same damage with both Grit and DS up, opposed to just DS.

[Dualgunner]

Fixed for realism.

I mean that's still on the tank for being a dummy. It's also odd that they'd be picky like that; why put the extra effort in for dps if you're not gonna put the extra effort for cooldowns to live and do dps?

[HyoMinPark]

Fixed for realism.

The sad(der) reality:
Even in raids, there are tanks that still don’t use their cooldowns.

[Dualgunner]

In the context that I see, the +20% is a benefit when active, not a 0% penalty when it is not. I do get what you're saying though, and when trying to push tank DPS as much as possible, you are indeed penalized having Grit active. I just have difficulty assigning it the term "penalty"


No. She said, "Umm, there are still damage penalties in Grit. And I never said Grit doesn't have damage penalties. The tooltip clearly defines that it does. I am pretty sure I said with both Grit and Darkside up there is no damage penalty, but as I already said, I understand why there is still a penalty since it is not possible for a tank to cause the same damage with both Grit and DS up, opposed to just DS.

Unless they buffed darkside to +20%, there's still a -5% penalty.