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    The animation absolutely needs to come back; it was one of the most satisfying GCDs to hit in the entire game from an aesthetic standpoint.

    In the absence of a drastic overhaul to DRK's entire toolkit, I think that bringing back Scourge would at least put a reasonable dent in the performance deficit DRK is currently in, as long as it's actually Scourge, the 1-GCD non-combo DoT, and not a cut-rate Goring Blade combo finisher.

    It wouldn't fit into 4.x DRK's toolkit nearly as cleanly as it did in 3.x, given the addition of Bloodspiller, but it wouldn't necessarily need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crater View Post
    The animation absolutely needs to come back; it was one of the most satisfying GCDs to hit in the entire game from an aesthetic standpoint.

    In the absence of a drastic overhaul to DRK's entire toolkit, I think that bringing back Scourge would at least put a reasonable dent in the performance deficit DRK is currently in, as long as it's actually Scourge, the 1-GCD non-combo DoT, and not a cut-rate Goring Blade combo finisher.

    It wouldn't fit into 4.x DRK's toolkit nearly as cleanly as it did in 3.x, given the addition of Bloodspiller, but it wouldn't necessarily need to.
    Thank you.

    So many folks keep asking for Scourge to be added as a ghetto Goring Blade because they want more complexity without realizing that a combo ender DOT would be absolutely awful on DRK because their rotation is not predictable due to Bloodspiller.

    If they do add Scourge back (which I wouldn't necessarily mind), it needs to be like old Touch of Death on MNK: Single hit, and NOT break combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 347SPECTRE View Post
    Bring it back as a second dps combo finisher that way it's led into rather than a set it and forget it DOT.

    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniDragon View Post
    Thank you.

    So many folks keep asking for Scourge to be added as a ghetto Goring Blade because they want more complexity without realizing that a combo ender DOT would be absolutely awful on DRK because their rotation is not predictable due to Bloodspiller.

    If they do add Scourge back (which I wouldn't necessarily mind), it needs to be like old Touch of Death on MNK: Single hit, and NOT break combo.
    Uh...yeah. You'd drop Scourge or clip it due to random 4th GCDs because of Bloodspiller or Quietus. It can't be a combo finisher unless they change those skills to oGCD, which then means they have to adjust the potency to accommodate that and...that becomes a lot of hassle instead of making it a standalone DOT.
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    Strea Leonhart
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    Why not make Scourge combo off of Syphon Strike and use 3.xx Delirium animation? I've been suggesting it since after Stormblood launch... can still call it Scourge... could also have DoT generate 2 blood gauge per tick,have the usual combo potency with DA Potency of 440(990 potency and gives 50 blood if Dot is still active)... I'm just not a big fan of the 3.xx Scourge animation... and que flame war...
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    Last edited by DRKoftheAzure; 11-21-2017 at 07:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniDragon View Post
    Thank you.

    So many folks keep asking for Scourge to be added as a ghetto Goring Blade because they want more complexity without realizing that a combo ender DOT would be absolutely awful on DRK because their rotation is not predictable due to Bloodspiller.

    If they do add Scourge back (which I wouldn't necessarily mind), it needs to be like old Touch of Death on MNK: Single hit, and NOT break combo.
    It was already not only the strongest open DoT in the game, but the outright strongest single-target skill in the game in its time. As much as I'd like to see it returned in some form (I was honestly hoping to see it be returned in a conal AoE via Quietus, preferably inflicting a leeching DoT that stacks, but alas that is too advanced for our code -- if any skill looks "Blood"-y, it's Scourge, after all), it doesn't need to be both open AND combo-noninterruptive.
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    What if they added Scourges DoT effect to DA DP. DP 150 potency to all enemies in a cone before you +blind 15s. DA potency 200 + DoT of 40 for 30s. (600 potency for half MP isn't bad at all and could be used for single target) the DoT could have fall off if necessary for balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kashi11 View Post
    What if they added Scourges DoT effect to DA DP. DP 150 potency to all enemies in a cone before you +blind 15s. DA potency 200 + DoT of 40 for 30s. (600 potency for half MP isn't bad at all and could be used for single target) the DoT could have fall off if necessary for balance.
    I would like the DRK becomes more original.
    For exemple, make Scourge back, but instead of the classical dot, make this skill like: every tick of dmg (not a lot), bring back the same amount of mana, or something like that.
    A new way to recover mana, and so, make more damages. I think that could make the DRK very very more interresting and the equivalent of the others tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azerhan View Post
    I would like the DRK becomes more original.
    For exemple, make Scourge back, but instead of the classical dot, make this skill like: every tick of dmg (not a lot), bring back the same amount of mana, or something like that.
    A new way to recover mana, and so, make more damages. I think that could make the DRK very very more interresting and the equivalent of the others tanks.
    I really like this idea, but maybe instead of MP, make it where if you use Dark Arts Scourge, it returns Blood per tick much like Salted Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    I really like this idea, but maybe instead of MP, make it where if you use Dark Arts Scourge, it returns Blood per tick much like Salted Earth.
    Could be good too, but I prefer MP.
    Currently, MP is used for: enmity generation, dps, shield... And some other thing. We almost have Salted Earth, TBN and our main combo for Blood generation, but almost nothing for mp (Syphon Strike w/o Grit is very weak and w/ Grit Blood Price is... Meh with only one or two targets.)

    I think doing that will make the DRK better: in gameplay term and dps too.
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    "Là où il n'y a pas d'imagination, il n'y a pas d'horreur." Sherlock Holmes, Une étude en rouge, Conan Doyle