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[Missbone]

I have played Healer only since last month, before that i only lvled them through potd to 60. I had never had any issues with people in Dungeons while running as Tank or DPs. As healer this experience whas totaly different, i med in a bit more than a month allready 3times or more unfreandly players as during my whole time in FF14 so far. I got kicked for nothing, yelled and harrast because i focused on my job (yes im one of those players who thinks that healer shloud concentrate on heal and not doing dmg), lectured by various elitist player than wantet to tell me how i should have to play my class and so on. The last case whas yesterday where a tank complaint at the last boss that the run took to long because dps whas to low and the reason for him whas of course me the healer because i didnt do any dmg.


I played a lot of other mmos before starting with this one, there is no other mmo that i can remember that forces you to be a half dps as healer. In compare to many other mmos, here you are as healer the asshole for everything and its allways your fault. I realy dont like that and for me its destroying the fun playing a healer class.

[Sieben79]

I played a lot of other mmos before starting with this one, there is no other mmo that i can remember that forces you to be a half dps as healer. In compare to many other mmos, here you are as healer the asshole for everything and its allways your fault. I realy dont like that and for me its destroying the fun playing a healer class.

Hmm, but this isn't like other mmos and for that im glad.

Try to weave in some damage skills if there's no need for healing and the "harassment" will stop. I don't know your playstyle or how you act in instances but

I have played Healer only since last month, before that i only lvled them through potd to 60

this is no foundation for good healing.

Start with lower dungeons even if they bores you to death, but I think it is a good training to learn about healing and your healing/ damage tools

[Missbone]

Hmm, but this isn't like other mmos and for that im glad.

Try to weave in some damage skills if there's no need for healing and the "harassment" will stop. I don't know your playstyle or how you act in instances but



this is no foundation for good healing.

Start with lower dungeons even if they bores you to death, but I think it is a good training to learn about healing and your healing/ damage tools

Sry but your comment sounds like im stupid. I maybe not using the dmg skills (and i realy refuse to do this as a healer), but besides that i would say i got during the last month enough training to keep my group alive eaven if things are sometimes a bit difficult. No one says anything if one or both dds dont play their class right and do far to less dmg or if the palatank runs around with sword oath and ask why it is so hard to keep him alive or when the tank cant even hold aggro right. But when i as healer dont act like some people think i should or do a small mistake everyone gets mad at me? Sry but no

Healing should be more difficult and only done by players that realy want to do that. Yes i wish there would be less healers, than maybe people start think twice if they need to wait 10 minutes or more for a new one before harassing you. The way i experience it right now is that most players dont have any respect for their healers and take everything as granted.

[SuperZay]

I maybe not using the dmg skills (and i realy refuse to do this as a healer)

Why would you refuse to use 1/3 of your abilities? This game has no pure healing jobs like some other MMOs and developers gave you all these attack spells for a reason - to help your party when there's downtime and no need for healing. Also you are wrong about bad DDs and tanks, no static will ever keep them if they don't pull their weight.

[Missbone]

Why would you refuse to use 1/3 of your abilities? This game has no pure healing jobs like some other MMOs and developers gave you all these attack spells for a reason - to help your party when there's downtime and no need for healing. Also you are wrong about bad DDs and tanks, no static will ever keep them if they don't pull their weight.

Well as you can guess i dont play in any static, i allways use the dungeonfinder. As for the question why i only heal, maybe u dont will understand this but i like to focus on my role (in every game and every mmo). Its allready sometimes challenging for me to mange the hp bars, if i would now also start with dmg not only mana would run faster out (sometimes if the team is bad it realy finish a bossfight with 0-1% mana left) it also would increase the amount of concentration i need to keep things under controll and would increase the chance for mistakes. This is nothing you can compare to the playstyle of a tank or healer. Both only need to keep one enemy in target and spaming their skills, watching hp bar of the enemy all the time is also not realy necessary.

As healer you need to watch the hp bars all the time, if you now add the dps role to it you also need to switch between friendly and enemy units all the time, this allone increases the chance for mistakes. Adding a half Dps role to healer increases the need for higher concentration at player more than it need to be. There is a reason that there is as good as no other mmo that do things this way and just because someone made this stupid design choice that dosnt mean i nead to except it. Of course healer classes in other mmos have also some dmg skills, but there are meant for the solo part of the game where you do quests or farm something. I have never ever seen in any other mmo that their people that expect you to do dmg as healer. If you want place a dot or cast 1-2 dmg skills because its a bit easier at the moment its your choice, but no one will force you to do so (not even in raids or stuff like that).

[F_Maximillian]

Well as you can guess i dont play in any static, i allways use the dungeonfinder. As for the question why i only heal, maybe u dont will understand this but i like to focus on my role (in every game and every mmo). Its allready sometimes challenging for me to mange the hp bars, if i would now also start with dmg not only mana would run faster out (sometimes if the team is bad it realy finish a bossfight with 0-1% mana left) it also would increase the amount of concentration i need to keep things under controll and would increase the chance for mistakes. This is nothing you can compare to the playstyle of a tank or healer. Both only need to keep one enemy in target and spaming their skills, watching hp bar of the enemy all the time is also not realy necessary.

As healer you need to watch the hp bars all the time, if you now add the dps role to it you also need to switch between friendly and enemy units all the time, this allone increases the chance for mistakes. Adding a half Dps role to healer increases the need for higher concentration at player more than it need to be. There is a reason that there is as good as no other mmo that do things this way and just because someone made this stupid design choice that dosnt mean i nead to except it. Of course healer classes in other mmos have also some dmg skills, but there are meant for the solo part of the game where you do quests or farm something. I have never ever seen in any other mmo that their people that expect you to do dmg as healer. If you want place a dot or cast 1-2 dmg skills because its a bit easier at the moment its your choice, but no one will force you to do so (not even in raids or stuff like that).

To start with, not all games play the same. Every game has different flows to combat etc; so you can't really stick a one size fits all label on a given role. I think this is a major cause of why people aren't willing to move out of their comfort zone because they're trying to do the same thing they did on another game when ff is different from others. You can deny how things are all you want but you'll probably keep having problems because not everyone is accepting of someone who won't try to adapt to their current situation.

I did look you up on the lodestone and it seems like you're a WHM as your main healer. WHM has gotten some incredible mp management abilities with stormblood and their healing both single target and aoe is top notch to the point of overkill in some cases. There's a ton of information out there that will help you improve and I'm sure most of the people "harrassing" you would be more than happy to help you get more comfortable with healing in this game. If you try to branch out a little bit and at least get more comfortable with the healing part of ff14 you'll probably get alot fewer complaints.

All classes need to focus on multiple things in this game, dps classes get utility skills that require them to target other party members as do tanks. All classes are responsible for monitoring their own enmity and managing it with provided cooldowns. There's mechanics in many dungeons that forces people of all roles to focus on multiple things at a time. I admit that it's not very easy to break into for newer players or people who aren't used to trying to go above the bare minimum of their roles but eventually you'll get used to it. In practice, if you were to simply switch the hotkeys you had your heals on with damage spells instead you would most likely be pushing the exact same buttons you are now with around the same frequency. It's not like people are asking you to go from playing a violin to a 12 string guitar, they're just asking you to hit buttons in slightly different locations.

I wish people would stop feeling "attacked" and "harassed" when most of the time the so-called harassment is merely people asking them to put in a bit more effort or just not ignore 1/3rd or more of their class because of functional fixedness. I've been playing for a few years now and only rarely have I seen what would actually constitute harassment over things like healer dps or tanks using/not using tank stance. There are jerks in the raiding community that go by logs for everything and judge people in all content but most aren't like that. Just like not every healer that doesn't dps or every tank that doesn't drop their tank stance is lazy. When you play with others you have to find a middle ground, that's the basis of cooperation no matter what the setting is. Those that dig their heels in and are unwilling to compromise are wrong no matter what their position is.

[Missbone]

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Well thanks for explaining, but i think im doing pretty fine when it comes to healing. As mentioned the oom thing happend only in a very few chases where overall team perfomance whas realy bad, so the mana thing is not my real problem. When im queing as healer its because i want to heal and i refuse to use any dmg skill (except it refills my mana or stuff like that) while im in a healrole. If people cant handle that im only focusing on what a healers job is (its the same in every mmo no matter how the playstyle is) thats not my problem. Just because a healer has also dmg skills for solo content it dosnt mean that he needs to use them while in group. Have ever read sutch nonses about healers in any other mmo? Maybe SE should simply increase the manacost multiplier for dmg skills in dungeons and raids by 3x or 4x, maybe than people will understand that its not a healers job to do dmg. Damage from healers should be allways only be optional (if the healer feels like it) and never a must have.

Btw. if you only spam AOE heal like some people here say you will run out oom very fast and it will be harder to keep the tank alive because they are not so strong as the singel target spells.

But maybe i should also start explaining DDs and Tanks how they should play there class if they dont perform how i like. Im sure i will make many friends this way.