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[Hayward]

It's time to kill this DPS meta dead. When tanks and healers are getting harassed for doing their stated jobs in an Expert dungeon, something has gone off the rails.

Over-reliance on DPS races in raids has spilled over into all other aspects of the game, and is causing needless stress among people who couldn't give two rats' farts about FFLogs or parses.

When a forum thread stretches 43 pages with wannabe pros relentlessly damage controlling for the DPS meta, something is seriously wrong with the direction of the game.

Tanking and healing need to mean something. That means dispensing with DPS races in favor of high or fast damage to tanks, requiring heightened attention to restoring HP or preventing damage.

[Awful]

I disagree tanks and healers have a huge toolkit to help with DPS healing and mitigation making FFXIV quite unique in that regard, as you mentioned the forum post with 43 pages it's nothing new it's been ongoing forever now. You have the tools as both a healer and a tank to contribute in a dungeon/raid/savage so use them don't be that person who doesn't use their tools or want to be a turtle tank nothing in a dungeon is going to 1 shot you.


Being able to DPS while mitigating CDs to push out your numbers is the sign of a great tank and the signs of a healer knowing when damage is coming out to circumvent healing proactively while DPSing, seriously you're making this a big deal when it's most people just not pressing their buttons. Most healers don't even touch their DPS spells and go afk or just spam Cure/Pysick/Benefic and most tanks just spam their 1-2-3 threat combos and never use their CDs in a rotating manor, it's not the harassment that is the issue it's the problem that most of the people at 70 rarely use their toolkit and maybe use half.

I don't see how this DPS meta is making you less of a tank or less of a healer when they do prioritize their threat and healing but also DPS which is expected as you have the tools and utility to do so there's no excuse. Also the irony of you making a thread complaining about a thread complaining about what you're complaining about is pretty sad.

[Canadane]

It makes tanking and healing a lot less boring.

[Kazgrel]

So now we have a thread complaining about a thread complaining about dps. Neat.

[BillyKaplan]

I actually heal more when I'm dpsing because it makes me actually engage with the game rather than frigging alt-tab to my browser and hit Benediction when I switch back... I'm only partially joking.

That said, removing the DPS meta won't stop harassment, it'll just make people pick on other people for other reasons. Wasn't there that quote in someone's signature about how people would find what to bully others for in a game where what you had to do was run - pardon, skip - together through a flowery field? It's funny because it's true. If you see people harassing others over the dps meta, especially in content where it doesn't matter that much, that's the problem, not necessarily the meta.

[Mrydeen]

Its just going to make players demand even much more of healers and tanks, making it even more toxic..

IMO, Its not about how these jobs play mostly. Its more about how the grind is... and ppl just want the grind to be over fast.. every.. single.. week.
That's how it is.. and its how this game is built on. I dun reckon there is any much room for change at this point.

[MicahZerrshia]

Its just going to make players demand even much more of healers

Asking for dps is not really demanding though. As many healers as I see not even drawing their weapon and just standing their doing nothing in content and then crying harassment when you ask them to dps is just irritating when I am spamming every cooldown I have to melt the mobs quicker. Sch are esp bad since their fairy can heal perfectly fine in most leveling and story dungeons.

The need for over healing or constant mitigation is not the answer though either. I think sticking so hard to the outdated, bare bone trinity system really limits what they can do in content.

[MoroMurasaki]

If SE wants to nerf tank and healer DPS into numbers that basically mean nothing they can certainly do so but they will also lose a lot of subs for it.

Anything short of that will see literally no change to the meta though, just relax and if you happen to party up with someone who is a butt do what the rest of the world does - leave, kick or deal with it.

So now we have a thread complaining about a thread complaining about dps. Neat.

Best post here.

[HoodRat]

And people think it's the raiders who are toxic...

[Krotoan]

I've been playing this game since 1.0. I've had maybe 10 cases where a party member actually said something negative while running a dungeon/roulette. I'm not experiencing this epidemic you are. ... sure this is personal experience but you'd think I'd have seen at least some of it.