Your map grid system is chafing my legs

[Felis]

Don't worry captainpicard, changes are coming to make the coordinates more clearly

皆さん、こんばんは。
Good evening everyone,

MAP座標については、現在数字表記で（X, Y）となっています。
For map coordinates; currently is setup to show the X,Y coordinates in numbers.

片方をアルファベット表記にしてほしいというご要望がありましたが、
新生のMAP改修においても、アルファベット26文字分のマスは超えてしまう前提のため、
現状同様、X軸Y軸ともに数字表記とする予定です。
There was a request to make one side alphabet display, but, on the 2.0 Map redesign it will still go over the 26 alphabet so just like now it’s still planned to display the X axis and Y axis with numbers.

また、MAPをはじめ座標情報にX軸Y軸の記述がない点については
わかりやすい表示となるよう対応を検討していきますが、
非常に多くの箇所に座標が表示されているため、すぐに対応することが難しくなっています。
Also to start with the coordinate information not showing the X or Y; to make it easier we are looking into this.
There are many parts which displays the coordinates so we can’t address it right away.

以上の理由から、まずはパッチ1.20の段階で、代名詞を入力した際に「X:○○ Y：○○」と
表示できるよう作業を行います。
For that reason, first with patch 1.20 when entering the coordinated we will make it so it will display X:___ Y:___.

ご不便をおかけする状況もあるかと思いますが、
上記経緯をご理解いただくとともに引き続きご意見をお寄せ頂けますと幸いです。
There may be situation this may cause inconvenience but hope you can understand from above reason and if you could please keep on giving us comment would appreciate it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post435462

[Lerris]

This guy is indeed being a prick but he is correct in my opinion. X,Y is Horizontal, Vertical.... I dunno i've never once been confused by it. On the other hand, (T,23) would be more confusing for me because I dont really know where T is in the alphabet(numerically speaking) and I immediately know exactly where I need to look with (32,23). Another thing... theres only 26 letters... so after 26... what would you have? A1 B1 A2 B2? that would make it even MORE complicated.

Do you know where 'T' is in relation to other letters in the alphabet? Because those, not numbers, are what you would be comparing them to when looking for a letter index.

Excel spreadsheets handle extra letters as AA AB AC AD ... It's doable, but a little clunky. I like his stated solution of labelling the coordinates as X and Y.

What do you mean what is X and Y. They are static designations.

X always refers to horizontal,

Y always refers to vertical.

It is always written as (X, Y) just like how you would write (D, 5) and not (5, D).

It is standard in any grid. It isn't anti-logic for anyone who made it past 5th grade mathematics.

Every Cartesian grid I studied in Math had the positive numbers on the Y-Axis ascending from the bottom of the page to the top. The maps in FFXIV have the Y-axis numbers ascending from the top of the page to the bottom. The confusion is understandable, since if one convention has been broken, why would we assume the other is intact?

[DeadRiser]

Never thought it was a problem... it's only a problem for people that don't know how to read maps.

[wish12oz]

More then once I've looked up the position of something in FFXIV on a website, and gone to where it said to go, just to find out the numbers were listed incorrectly on the website and that they had them backwards. I support this change.

[Delsus]

More then once I've looked up the position of something in FFXIV on a website, and gone to where it said to go, just to find out the numbers were listed incorrectly on the website and that they had them backwards. I support this change.

Then the people who edited those wikis are pretty much brain dead, if they cant remember something that was battered into thier heads almost every day at school from when they were 10, unless its 9yr olds editing those wikis, but I have never seen this problem because x,y is universal, the whole world use x,y and people have done it so many times its impossible to forget.

[lackofwords]

First of all, the problem is trying to clear up ambiguity caused by how people tend to read maps. Some people read maps as X,Y and others as Y,X. It causes ambiguity when trying to give directions. It was only cleared up a little bit when they made the position coordinates in game listed as X,Y standards oppose to what Eoreapedia used to read them as Y,X.

To refute what Murugan said

It is always written as (X, Y) just like how you would write (D, 5) and not (5, D).

It is standard in any grid. It isn't anti-logic for anyone who made it past 5th grade mathematics.

A map does not always list their locations as X,Y. Take for example road maps below published for AAA/CAA, and another one is tourist map. Noticed they are listing locations as Y,X.
(click for full image)

Even worst from the same publisher, hagstrom maps, list their locations always as LETTER, NUMBER. However, uses "red line" and "blue line" grids square systems, where the location of the letter and number could be X,Y or Y,X depending on the map. (publications of 1992 maps of Queens borough NY and Suffolk County NY)


Now, back to the issue of ambiguity, provided with the examples above. If these map publishers were to list their locations strictly as numbers, then it adds an ambiguity of what the numbers actually represents. However, since they labeled each axis as a distinct value, you can not possibly mistaken the axis regardless of how you provide the location.

Such as, saying the location is at A,5 and 5,A would mean the same thing since they are distinct values on the map.

However, saying 1,5 and 5,1 could mean either location when the axes are both labeled numerically.

[captainpicard]

First of all, the problem is trying to clear up ambiguity caused by how people tend to read maps. Some people read maps as X,Y and others as Y,X. It causes ambiguity when trying to give directions. It was only cleared up a little bit when they made the position coordinates in game listed as X,Y standards oppose to what Eoreapedia used to read them as Y,X.

To refute what Murugan said

A map does not always list their locations as X,Y. Take for example road maps below published for AAA/CAA, and another one is tourist map. Noticed they are listing locations as Y,X.
(click for full image)

Even worst from the same publisher, hagstrom maps, list their locations always as LETTER, NUMBER. However, uses "red line" and "blue line" grids square systems, where the location of the letter and number could be X,Y or Y,X depending on the map. (publications of 1992 maps of Queens borough NY and Suffolk County NY)


Now, back to the issue of ambiguity, provided with the examples above. If these map publishers were to list their locations strictly as numbers, then it adds an ambiguity of what the numbers actually represents. However, since they labeled each axis as a distinct value, you can not possibly mistaken the axis regardless of how you provide the location.

Such as, saying the location is at A,5 and 5,A would mean the same thing since they are distinct values on the map.

However, saying 1,5 and 5,1 could mean either location when the axes are both labeled numerically.

Thanks. You said it better than I ever could. This is why the maps need to use Letter, Number.

Yoshi-P - Read it. Community Manager - Escalate it.

[Answa]

Thanks. You said it better than I ever could. This is why the maps need to use Letter, Number.

Yoshi-P - Read it. Community Manager - Escalate it.

Did you not read the dev quote? They're making them as (X:__,Y:__). This is clear as day.

[captainpicard]

Did you not read the dev quote? They're making them as (X:__,Y:__). This is clear as day.

I read it. I still prefer Letter, Number.

I started the thread. I'll respond to it how I see fit.

Thanks.

[Aistaraina]

I read it. I still prefer Letter, Number.

I started the thread. I'll respond to it how I see fit.

Thanks.

They are changing it. They are not going to change their change because you want a change that is not their change.