Your map grid system is chafing my legs

[Deceptistar]

How is D-6 superior to X:6 Y:5? Is it because there is to much to type? So you would prefer smaller zone maps just so you have to type less?

Honestly people ask for cookies and just because the cookies arnt cut into star shapes they complain...

your complaining about pple complaining o.o

[Coglin]

Not to mention all the mild dyslexics out there.

Its funny how some people want to state how simple it is. We who grasp it understand how simple it is. There are alot of simple things in the world. That does not change the fact that people make mistakes, get confussed, or as I mentioned, have dyslexia, or just a dyslexic moment in there day.

Alot of people learned alot of things in 3rd grade. If they haven't used since, it is likely that they wil not recall, or recall incorrectly.

[Renshi]

They will recall it playing the game, no problem =)

[Atoli]

I really don't get this discussion.
Even if you can't remember which direction X and Y stand for, if you look at the map while moving you'll see which number is changing..
Also, if you are not sure if someone you are talking to knows it right, you can always just ask:
"So 35 horizontal and 27 vertical, right?"
What's wrong with a little bit of conversation..?

It's way better than being limited to 26 letters o,O
Or, in case you were not joking (because I hope you were) waaaaaaaay better than AA,AAA, B3 or whatever you thought of after the 26 letters of the alphabet run out.

[lackofwords]

Not to mention all the mild dyslexics out there.

Its funny how some people want to state how simple it is. We who grasp it understand how simple it is. There are alot of simple things in the world. That does not change the fact that people make mistakes, get confussed, or as I mentioned, have dyslexia, or just a dyslexic moment in there day.

Usually people's view are 'if it isn't broken then don't fix it'. Honestly, I'm part of that camp. I wouldn't mind it left as it is now. Even without the X:_Y:_. That addition is obsolete since the position listed in <pos> and on your map already indicates your current location. From that point you can just deduce what the first number and second number means. Basically addition of X:_Y:_ is for people who can't deduce <pos> meanings.

I really don't get this discussion.
Even if you can't remember which direction X and Y stand for, if you look at the map while moving you'll see which number is changing..
Also, if you are not sure if someone you are talking to knows it right, you can always just ask:
"So 35 horizontal and 27 vertical, right?"
What's wrong with a little bit of conversation..?

What's wrong with it is actually having to ask in the first place.

Before even <pos> funcationality came in along with the position details for your current location on the map, people would just go by whatever people said for coordinates and assumed it was read as (X,Y). However, I can say I've ran into several times were the directions I was given was reversed as (Y,X). And I ran to the location and only to realize it was on the other side of the world.

Was it wrong of me to assume that they were giving me (X,Y) coordinates?

Another situation was me giving coordinates to someone else. Who then asked, 'Up and left?' Which then I said 'yes, if you mean horizontal and vertical'. And somehow, they thought horizontal meant rows, and vertical meant columns!

Was it wrong of me to assume that they understood what horizontal meant x-axis, and vertical meant y-axis?!

Lastly, the situation I ran into my friend when giving coordinates, and wanted clarification. I said 'x,y'. Which was replied with confusion of what x and y was which I said the one running 'horizontal, vertical' which was still replied with more confusion, which then I had to clarify once more it's 'top and the sides'. Which then we both became flustered trying to just understand each other.

Was it wrong of me to assume that Cartesian coordinate system should be understood?

So, where does this confusion arise come from? Who knows, it really depends on how the person interprets information. It could be that they are thinking along the lines of reading latitude then longitude coordinates. Or maybe they just like reading the numbers off running on the Y-axis first before the X-axis. Or maybe they are dyslexics and mistakenly read it backwards.

But you know what, if it works 99% of time, then it's good enough. However, at least try to understand what is happening when it stops working at the 1% mark and see if there are any viable solutions to fix it.

[Atoli]

Which then I said 'yes, if you mean horizontal and vertical'. And somehow, they thought horizontal meant rows, and vertical meant columns!
[...] at least try to understand what is happening when it stops working at the 1% mark and see if there are any viable solutions to fix it.

This is a game, an active, engaging world.
You can't care for every stupid little problem someone may have.
"Think of a new mapping system because English spreaking people don't know the meaning of the English words they are using!" for real?
In that case, very soon there will be players complaining they are only told to "Run, or you will die!!" by an NPC instead of colorful icons showing them what to do because they are slow readers or don't understand what "RUN AWAY" means.
We'll need ingame calculators too, for people who are bad with maths, or just shut down the whole game for those who are bad with computers..?
Sorry to take things to extremes, but seriously, just because 1% of the players don't know the meaning of basic words and don't get how the <pos> thing works, it's not necessary to think of solutions to this "problem".

[lackofwords]

This is a game, an active, engaging world.
You can't care for every stupid little problem someone may have.
"Think of a new mapping system because English spreaking people don't know the meaning of the English words they are using!" for real?

It's not a language problem. It's an ambiguity problem which even Japanese players are having trouble with. Refer to the thread that announced the X:_Y:_ addition from the Japanese forums.

今現在はマップ縦軸と横軸の１区間が（１．１）とかになっているのを縦軸をA~Z横軸を１～９９とかに変更してくれませんか？

よくLSメンバーとかに何処にいるの～？とか聞かれてもどこどこの３０．４５にいるよ～とか言っても横の３０なのか縦の３０なのか解らないときがよくあるのでどこどこのC19にいるよ～とか言えれば解りやすくなると思うのですがいかがでしょうか？

via google translate
Right now is one section of the vertical and horizontal axes map (1.1) Could you please change the 1 to 99 Toka A ~ Z axis of the vertical axis that is Toka?

Where are you - well Toka LS member? You understand and easier 言Ere Toka-C19 where I'll be better because you do not know where or how the 30 vertical and 30 horizontal Toka - I have to say where to 30.45 Toka been heard anywhere What I think ~ ~ V?

But like I already said in my post you've quoted, and then left out. I personally don't really care since it's works 99% of the time now (post <pos> patch), and it isn't really broken.

However, what irks me is that people don't understand that this is an ambiguity issue. Not language issue, nor an education issue, nor is it an intuitive issue.

If you want to throw out snide remarks that's fine, because the ambiguity is somewhat amusing and ridiculous. However, at least be correct in your initial statements before you poke fun of the issue.

[Bahn]

If you want to throw out snide remarks that's fine, because the ambiguity is somewhat amusing and ridiculous. However, at least be correct in your initial statements before you poke fun of the issue.

Butbutbut, I like making assumptions about other people on the Internet and how they are in real life based off of how they post.

But yeah, I'm pretty damn sure EVERYONE knows how the x, y coordinates work, but the ambiguity at the moment is the big issue. SE realized this, and they're fixing it. This isn't as braindead obvious as what captainpicard wants, but IMO it's good enough.

[Mishakai]

Guess we'd all better pray they don't add a Z-axis to the game..

[Lavani]

Guess we'd all better pray they don't add a Z-axis to the game..

Wait, what? they are adding a Z-axis to the game?