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  1. #621
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by EllieShadeflare View Post
    You didn't read the full proposal for the two skills? Freeze would become the Umbral Ice "Fire II/Flare," and would build to Umbral Ice II/III while still providing good AoE coverage. After all, in the ideal situation of using it, Flare would wreck your opportunity of having Umbral Ice III ready for Blizzard IV then Fire III, since you'd be forced to Transpose into UI.
    The UI3 might make it worthwhile, but I'm too lazy to do the math. Assuming it stayed 3.whatever cast speed, I think that might have it be slightly better than just prioritizing B4/T4 and then going straight into AF3.

    Though, if the math showed it coming out as neutral or better, the other issue it presents is that it might simply be better to just stay in UI3 for Freeze Spam. That's the primary reason B2 got nerfed, because at 100 potency, the quicker cast, infinite spam B2 outpaced F2.

    Strictly speaking, while Ice phase not having high damage options is pretty meh, I'd rather Fire be grossly higher than Ice, and Ice serving to set up / buff that phase.
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    Ohlala Chica
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    hope the devs notice the importance if the first post in this thread (and the amounts of likes, reflecting the need of blm)
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  3. #623
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    Elatus Shadeflare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Though, if the math showed it coming out as neutral or better, the other issue it presents is that it might simply be better to just stay in UI3 for Freeze Spam. That's the primary reason B2 got nerfed, because at 100 potency, the quicker cast, infinite spam B2 outpaced F2.
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    Even by buffing the potency of Freeze to be 260 like Flare, it would never be as powerful as Flare for one simple reason: Astral Fire III. Certainly, Blizzard II was in a spot where it was hitting harder than Fire II (despite Fire II having 180 potency when you apply Astral Fire III) because of its sheer speed. Flare and Freeze already have the same cast speed, and the difference between their full practical potencies is quite vast. I don't think it's a problem to raise Freeze's potency to make it viable in a rotation.
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  4. #624
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Flare has 4 secs base cast speed, freeze should be 3 if memory serves right

    That aside dunno how much we should focus ourselves on aoe problems when the main one is our single target dps

    @shiroe Hope so, I mean the colorblind thread got an answer, I suppose they are reading this thread too
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    Last edited by Remedi; 11-09-2017 at 08:10 PM.

  5. #625
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    hope the devs notice the importance if the first post in this thread (and the amounts of likes, reflecting the need of blm)
    don't worry after all its Yoshis cls - so buffs are incoming for sure.
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  6. #626
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    Remedi Maxwell
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    Wouldn't bet on it, as things stands no jobs can really be said to not beign able to clear content when played perfeclty and there's not a real huge gap on what you can do or what you cannot do, consider that ppl have said that BLM are terrible on utlimate because of the need to learn the fight, well that is kinda BS since you are gonna need about 100+ hours to get a kill so plenty of time to adapt to the fight, the lack of synergy is still true yes, but we don't know how much really SE cares about optimal gameplay really.

    It is also possible that they consider synergy groups as doing a higher dps when played well as intended since if you fuck up with buffs uptime you are not fucking just yourself but everyone else in the group too
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    Last edited by Remedi; 11-10-2017 at 12:50 AM.

  7. #627
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    Ohlala Chica
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    blm got love at ca. 4.05 (it was broken at 4.0), and has gotten attention,.. but at 4.1 lost ground again

    rdm has had high attention since 4.0 and is still loved (new class, easy to handle, super-rez)

    smn had issues / no love till 4.1, now its finally getting attention/more players..

    SE is probably awaiting till more blm and rdm shift over to smn..., than it will probably consider buffing/fixing blm.., just wish it would happen before 4.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    smn had issues / no love till 4.1, now its finally getting attention/more players..
    Not really, dot potency buff was really big buff, it give us flat 200+ dps. After that change summoner raised from bottom to top tier.

    RDM was strongest caster 4.0, BLM was strongest caster after 4.05, SMN have been strongest caster since 4.06.
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  9. #629
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    4.06 was the big smn change?.... ah, ok.. thought it was 4.1
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  10. #630
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    Since the dots buff SMN dmg actually skyrocketed (more so when they started attribuiting radiant shield dmg to SMN too, something that after some tests I honestly don't agree with)
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