Built-in Parsers

[MoroMurasaki]

... the name/shame is false statements...

People just allergic to the fact that teamwork, is a team responsibility. And that if a run goes south its the teams fault.

Pointing fingers goes against team effort. ...

Fake news! Lol

In all honesty though your ideas about teamwork and responsibility just dont mesh with the concept of doing the content you claim to do. I have never been in a real static due to irl life constraints and even I can see that just from the bit of effort I've put into researching them in general. It may not be 'work' but it does require a certain level of personal responsibility if you're going to reliably clear content as a group.

Think of an awful pug experience you've had. I'm sure it's out there, I remember you specifically posting rants about how you wanted healers to stop DPSing because you or your girlfriend (I think her) weren't getting enough heals in dungeons. Take one of those healers who really isn't performing well and imagine playing with them every night or every couple of nights in really challenging content.

That is essentially the endgame of your statements because no matter how bad that healer may be since everything is the fault of the whole group there is no reason to kick them from a static. They just get to be there every night, wiping the raid over and over, then everyone can talk about how they can all improve even though it is clearly the fault of that one player.

You do understand that is literally crazy talk, right?

Also, kind of off topic, but where do you get off calling HyoMin anything less than pleasant? Seriously, she has been so nice to you even as you post nonsense, sarcasm and insults (please tell us what an E is?) at her. She has done nothing more than publicly disagree with you while also giving your arguments a certain amount of validation by even responding to them. Chill out.

[RiyahArp]

Art imitates life. And that's meant to be taken neutrally.

It's more people don't stop being people, I guess. They bring the same flaws that make the real world so bad into virtual worlds, and we get the same problems.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It's more people don't stop being people, I guess. They bring the same flaws that make the real world so bad into virtual worlds, and we get the same problems.

While that's true, they bring and expect good things too, but that's entirely me being a bleeding heart optimist.

[Hruodig]

It's more people don't stop being people, I guess. They bring the same flaws that make the real world so bad into virtual worlds, and we get the same problems.

Not only is this a very pessimistic view of the world, but it's also naive to think that humans would just...stop being humans? For better and for worse.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Because there's the whole "we need to get this task done" element that shows up in raiding. it's not like you are playing 4-player Goldeneye or Halo over pizza. You're trying to solve or achieve something, and the person not showing up is hampering that shared goal. It's important they show up for reasons more important than them just being there.

I'm a pretty harsh critic of raid culture in MMOs in general I guess. I don't like how games are mirroring the real world in nasty ways.

That doesn't change the fact plans were made and abruptly cancelled. My cousin used to flake on me occasionally when we agreed to meet up and play games. After a while, I just stopped bothering with him. Yes, it was just silly Halo matches but I don't like people who consistently flake no matter what the activity may be. Per your example below, replacing someone who can't handle raiding doesn't equate to making it a job. The difference between the two is people typically don't want to work a 9-5 job. They do it to have an income. Your average static is purely hobby driven. Even the hardcore players who raid for hours on end do so because they enjoy it. You don't, which is fine, but you're basically telling us how we should feel about something we do while you don't.

[Vaer]

If the runs plan goes south, everyone is at fault.

Yeah, no. In certain hard fights 7 people can play perfectly and the 1 man out could make a mistake and cause a group wipe.

This is like blaming the other 2 parties in 24 mans that killed their add and did everything perfectly in add+prison mechanics (recent example, Rofocale) in any of the 24 mans for a wipe caused by the 3rd party that couldn't stay alive or get in their box to actually kill their add, causing the boss ult bar to hit 100/failing dps check and wiping the entire raid. Unless I'm crazy, I'm pretty sure that most of the fault lies with the party that didn't kill their add.

In Shin EX, bad tail placement can just cause an immediate wipe. If someone puts the tail on the wrong spot and wipes the group, is it everyone else's fault?

[NintenPyjak64]

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Holy crap this reminds me of a guy from a static I was in in ARR...

He had some days where he would work late, so we agreed to push back our start time for him and we let him know, to which he responded "OK" or something like that. Several of those times when he logged in after all of us waited a few hours after our usual start time, he declined the party invites and said "Na I'm going to go do this other stuff with these other guys." RL ended up getting into an argument with him and he was kicked from the static

Since then I've been harsh on flakey people. Just recently I had to kick a person from my static. They should show up late to raid often holding us up. Once he said he'll be "a little late" only for us to give up 40 minutes later and pugged the last spot. Surprise Surprise that guy never logged in that night. We replaced him with that pug BLM, and several times have tried to contact the original guy, to no avail, they would not respond or see the messages despite being online and not having the AFK flag up. Tuesday rolls around, we enter O1S and the guy's wondering wtf we're doing. In between instances I talk to him, tell him what's up and he's chewing me out, clearly saying his time is more valuable then ours.

Always a bloody mess dealing with flakey people, it always ends badly and there's never a good way to handle it without them stepping down themselves

[Texa]

you do know name/shame is against the forum rules ya?

Looks like the mods don't agree that counted as "name/shame" since its relevant to the topic on-hand and public information from your official FF XIV lodestone in a discussion where it's relevant. I'd say that you have shown a willingness to broadcast when you've reported things in an attempt to get people to self-censor information you do not want to deal with.

I would say that at this point the entire thread has turned from the topic of parsers to responding to something else entirely and that it would be prudent for the mods to close it sooner than later.

[Oscura]

People don't want raiding culture to spread to the rest of the game. Raiders treat this game like a job, and the fun they get out of it is like the fun people get out of a job. But the negative aspects of raiding are similar to the negative aspects of a job. If that spreads to casual content, well, people who treat this game as something they do to relax and not something they do to work at in order to gain status won't be happy with the change.

People got angry when I mentioned a "fake boogeyman" earlier in this thread if I recall correctly, and this is exactly what I was talking about. The generalization that raiding is some inhospitable environment. The no fun allowed zone.

Playing in a team and having someone hold you back and removing them from the team or putting them on the bench is not a product of "a job." The fact of the matter is that there is no "I" in "team," as people always say. If one person can't respect other's time by being late or is holding them back they should realistically either improve themselves or expect a replacement. There is nothing regarding "work," about it. Kids play sports in school for fun but there will always be better or worse players. You are essentially implying that those kids treat playing those sports like jobs, instead of just...playing for fun. Which is basically what the grand majority of them do.

Having an end goal or requirement to be met does not suddenly mean that it's no fun and games. Acting as if a winning attitude means that you need to sour everything else is an incredible way to negatively generalize people who are determined for success.

[RiyahArp]

People got angry when I mentioned a "fake boogeyman" earlier in this thread if I recall correctly, and this is exactly what I was talking about. The generalization that raiding is some inhospitable environment. The no fun allowed zone.

Fun takes a back seat to getting it done. It's not fun to wipe over and over on a 3 minute segment of a fifteen minute fight, unless you are doing it to get it done. This to a lesser extent happens in all FFXIV content, mostly in 24 mans, but after a while the bantering stops and people get ansty if you get stuck due to someone. I'm not saying in general that fun is non existent, but fun really isn't why you do stuff like raiding, it's more the pleasure in achievement, closer to other things.

Playing in a team and having someone hold you back and removing them from the team or putting them on the bench is not a product of "a job." The fact of the matter is that there is no "I" in "team," as people always say. If one person can't respect other's time by being late or is holding them back they should realistically either improve themselves or expect a replacement. There is nothing regarding "work," about it. Kids play sports in school for fun but there will always be better or worse players. You are essentially implying that those kids treat playing those sports like jobs, instead of just...playing for fun. Which is basically what the grand majority of them do.

I guess you've never really practiced at something like that. believe me, it's work. You pretty much say it is with your words. The fun part after a while are the times you can ditch practice to blow off steam.

Having an end goal or requirement to be met does not suddenly mean that it's no fun and games. Acting as if a winning attitude means that you need to sour everything else is an incredible way to negatively generalize people who are determined for success.

Skip Soar.

They did it all on their own.