How's Ultimate?

[bswpayton]

You’re right.


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(Considering there was thread after thread being made complaining about gating Ultimate behind clearing V4S and how “unfair” it was, I’d say enough people are interested in it to make it worthwhile to implement. If we want to discuss interest, I know a lot of people that are not interested in Ex primals—doesn’t stop the developers from making them. I, myself, am not interested in any of the new dungeons being released, because they’re just copy-pastes of all the previous dungeons with arbitrary gates set up to temper tanks that want to pull larger groups of mobs.

Doesn’t stop the developers from making more dungeons. Same thing can be said about any piece of content: not everyone is going to be interested, and the content isn’t going to last forever. Considering SE had to put in an Alliance Roulette with a massive EXP reward to get the queues rolling for the older 24-mans....

In other words, it seems like you’re saying “I’m not interested in this piece of content, so it’s not important, and it’s going to die quickly.” Just because you don’t like something, or just because you have no interest in it, doesn’t mean that other people don’t as well.)

This right here is displaying what you want right there and its also when ,I chimed in and how the thread has gotten to 22 with people arguing back and fourth with me. The point is this to more skilled players yea dungeons are boring I find them boring and if they where the only form of content in the game Id already be gone just like Im sure alot of other players would be. But what you have been doing in this thread and in others , is calling people casual this softcore this and that.

This content easy, this or that undertuned, when in reality some players cant even beat an unsync hw primal Ive seen it first hand was truely sad, but hey it was tuff for them. The only form of content that is easy by default are dungeons, guildheist, fates, and potd because they where designed in that way. Everything else is subjective bottom line, and the only way to prove if something is hard or is not hard is from looking at clear rates. And floggs and other surveys are the only hard data that show this, not people on the forums, not your friends, not anybody else aside from the devs. What data has showed whether its the whole picture are not is that when content is tuned up to a certain level then the clear rates drastically decrease. So yea you may consider v3s easy, neo exdeath easy, but there is no data indicating that , that is the true case for the majority of those whom take part in that content there is no argument to be made here.

So maybe a good step would be to just acknowledge that maybe your wrong about whats hard and what issnt hard to many people whom take part in the same content as you. And stop going around these forums using the word casual like its meant to be an insult. When the data that we have shows that just as many people can clear the end of a raid tier as the beginning fights then u will have an argument on whats easy and whats not until then you honestly dont have one. So according to data, Hardcore players already separated themselves from midcore or softcore are lazycore whatever you want to call them with how drastic the numbers between v1s v4s.

Ultimate again would have been fine if patch came with actual content in it but it didnt , and it looks bad when the only new thing implemented isnt even for 99 percent of the player base. Go look at some videos on the topic of ultimate its several comments like exactly what im saying here people question why this was brought out but yet nothing for basicly the whole playerbase of the game. I put a post up a while back about what everyone was doing with the lack of content in the game and ultimate does nothing to change that, the patch should of had more instead we got less than 3.1.

[Joe777]

I know I'm very subtil in my way to write. But I think you should check my signature or fflog. x)

You know what you said contradicts your signature though right?

Ultimate again would have been fine if patch came with actual content in it but it didnt , and it looks bad when the only new thing implemented isnt even for 99 percent of the player base. Go look at some videos on the topic of ultimate its several comments like exactly what im saying here people question why this was brought out but yet nothing for basicly the whole playerbase of the game. I put a post up a while back about what everyone was doing with the lack of content in the game and ultimate does nothing to change that, the patch should of had more instead we got less than 3.1.

1. As I said before, Coils Ultimate was announced long before 4.11 but didn't make it in time to be included in 4.1. The fact that there was nothing else added content-wise with Coils Ultimate doesn't mean they would've added something else if they hadn't added that.
2. Coils Ultimate does count as content. FF14 is big on unlocking content by clearing other content. Coils Ultimate is no exception. You want to play it? Then clear the pre-requisite content. It's that simple. As long as you can clear the pre-requisite content then you can play that content, and if you can't then you have that to work on first, or you can do something else. Not like this game is lacking in things for everyone to do.
3. You seem to enjoy using fflogs to back up your argument rather than using common sense. Clear rates shmear rates they don't have any bearing on how many people are actually playing the content, and that is what truly matters. Apparently fflogs doesn't tell you that or you wouldn't be arguing with everyone like fflogs is the only info that matters.

[Lambdafish]

You know what you said contradicts your signature though right?

He's making fun of bswpayton's view by showing everyone the logical extreme. He doesn't actually believe what he is saying

[bswpayton]

You know what you said contradicts your signature though right?

I have no intrest in ultimate, Ill leave that to xenos or happs, in xenos case first two days he spent 22 hours or something like that doing this fight. Hes also the one with whom his whole team beat alex with all tanks so obviously he is on another skill level.

So if it takes him 22 hours just to get into second phase I personally would have zero interest in this content, along with I dont know the majority of the players in the game. And just playing content means nothing if people arent clearing it , end result is all that matters at the end of the day, thats like going to work and not gettin a pay check at the end of the pay period i dont know about you but id be pretty pissed If I didnt get paid.

What im sayin is more content, outside of the formula would have been nice than using any resources at all on ultimate because of how small the percentage of people whom could even do this and would actually clear it. Most of the people here are hypocrites, someone asked a while back to add on level rewards to the old binding coil the answer to that person on the forums was an overwhelming no. But yet this comes out and people are all for it, if they gona reuse assets it should be for many people not a small portion of the community that it takes making an unbeatable fight to make them happy.



@l1nk

The exaggerations here are truely priceless, yea lets see you cant even do anything in the game with one button. Go try it stand in one spot dont press any buttons to move and just use savage blade over and over and see how quickly you die.

@SaitoHikari

I have run out of post but no I am not trolling never have never will I just dont back down from people whom disagree with me nor should anyone else

[Joe777]

So if it takes him 22 hours just to get into second phase I personally would have zero interest in this content, along with I dont know the majority of the players in the game. And just playing content means nothing if people arent clearing it , end result is all that matters at the end of the day, thats like going to work and not gettin a pay check at the end of the pay period i dont know about you but id be pretty pissed If I didnt get paid.

That is a terrible analogy. Finding a way to clear extremely difficult content is more akin to trying to create something brand new, testing it for errors, and correcting any found and continuously working on it until it is done and works. Yes, inventing something is a more proper analogy than what you said. There is indeed great satisfaction to be had when it is completed, but the trip means just as much as the destination.

What im sayin is more content, outside of the formula would have been nice than using any resources at all on ultimate because of how small the percentage of people whom could even do this and would actually clear it. Most of the people here are hypocrites, someone asked a while back to add on level rewards to the old binding coil the answer to that person on the forums was an overwhelming no. But yet this comes out and people are all for it, if they gona reuse assets it should be for many people not a small portion of the community that it takes making an unbeatable fight to make them happy.

Binding Coils and Coils Ultimate are completely different things. Therefore, hypocrisy is not present. Those that like what Coils Ultimate have done like it for both its difficulty and what it actually is. Those that like Binding Coils liked it for the same reasons, but over time Binding Coils became obsolete. That is why people wanted incentive to run it; because otherwise it was a waste of their time, even though they liked it.

You keep going on and on about how Coils Ultimate is wasted resources but as you have been told over and over again it is not. It was content planned before 4.1 that didn't make it with that patch and so it was added later. It in no way has pushed any other content further from being released on its own. If anything pushed that content back it was SE themselves and whatever delays happened. You would still argue that Coils is responsible and is still wasted resources simply because not everyone can run it but that is and always will be false. So long as even 1% of the playerbase enjoys it it was not a waste. And don't try to argue with the whole business perspective because that's just a crock. FF14 isn't Square Enix's only income you know.

[Zojha]

So long as even 1% of the playerbase enjoys it it was not a waste.

Go and make a game that always wholly caters to only 1% of the current playerbase with every update and you'll quickly realize that this is a surefire way to quickly decimate the playerbase, because using resources disproportionately equals wasting resources. Only 1% enjoying a piece of content is only "fine" if it took around 1% of your resources to make.

The fact that everything including the rewards is rehashed is the saving grace of Ultimate, really. Not a whole lot of people are doing it, not a whole lot of resources were spent... You can err on the side of:"That's okay." At this point, Feast rewards are probably a bigger offender in the "wasted resources" category.

[HyoMinPark]

Go and make a game that always wholly caters to only 1% of the current playerbase with every update and you'll quickly realize that this is a surefire way to quickly decimate the playerbase, because using resources disproportionately equals wasting resources. Only 1% enjoying a piece of content is only "fine" if it took around 1% of your resources to make.

The fact that everything including the rewards is rehashed is the saving grace of Ultimate, really. Not a whole lot of people are doing it, not a whole lot of resources were spent... You can err on the side of:"That's okay." At this point, Feast rewards are probably a bigger offender in the "wasted resources" category.

Your argument would make more sense if this was something SE did on a frequent basis, but this is the first of its kind, and was released alongside other content for the other 99% of players. It was still requested by the 1%, and, contrary to what some people say, their opinions and desires should also be taken into consideration.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

if they gona reuse assets it should be for many people not a small portion of the community that it takes making an unbeatable fight to make them happy.

They do. The overwhelming majority of content is meant for varying skill levels. You can grumble about it all you fancy but Ivalice, Shinryu and Skalla are three pieces of content casual players get to enjoy. You claim it an exaggeration, but for hardcore players, no, they haven't had much since Midas. Would you rather they put the used resources into new furniture items? Oh wait, I recall you whined over that too because housing "isn't content."

At some point, you'll have to come to gripes with the fact this isn't Bswpayton Fantasy. And thank the twelve for it.

[l1nk]

(Cries over and over again how bad he is and denies other ppl have some fun for first time since Midas release)

You have shitton of other faceroll content, yet u shit on ONE thing SE gave for ppl who want to tackle something which requires more than pressing one button? U're golden chap

[RenAshdoll]

argument for more.

Originally for 4.1 the main planned big contents are Ultimate for any raiders who cleared o4s and wants more, the 24 man alliance raid which caters to all and Eureka, with that the new relic weapons. Eureka, unfortunately have to be push-back due to some problems they couldn't even fix in time for 4.15, thus 4.1 feels slightly empty. The Ultimate series is in the end handled by the raid design team amongst many other team within the devs, thus even with omission of the ultimate fight, I really doubt the cater-all contents will magically increase.

FFLogs are pretty much filled by ppl who wants to be ranked and compared to others. There are way many other raiders/players who don't give a damn about uploading their parses up there as we simply can't be bothered to, so using it as "hard data" is sketchy at best.