Dear Healers who don't DPS

[miraidensetsu]

Seriously, you can't write off experienced people using their time to discuss healer play, answer questions and give advice just because they haven't written and published a long "official guide" or produced video guides for the job... I've been spending time on these forums since they came out and I don't think I've ever seen a question or a call for advice go unanswered, and that's thanks to all these lovely experienced healers out here. I myself have learned a lot from here, and am thankful for it!

Tanks and DPS community consolidated such things inside guides and updated it. I don't know why must be different here. And they also answer its beginners questions.

But sorry. I learned exactly nothing from here. All I learned so far is from Reddit (that have its share of experienced players), from past guides from people outside this forum, from people in-game, is from my server's mentors (that was much more helpful for me than the people here), from self experience (making mistakes and learning from them or seeing that some sequence of skills works better for me)...

This topic alone are the greatest example of how this community looks like: some may can genuinely want to help, but some is forgetting that healing using a full-i330+ lv 70 healer inside a static full of well-geared experienced players is way easier than using a so-so equiped healer inside a PUG. And call about "uptime" when the tank is good enough to mitigate the majority of the damage (over-equipped, using its cooldowns), the DPS can melt the trash pull in a heartbeat and the co-healer is as well-equiped (with i330+) and heals very strongly even synced. With a situation like that is easy to get 17% uptime.

There are times that just healing keeps me with 100% uptime and put out Holy is a non-option (think swiftcast and presence of mind on cooldown and tank constantly taking heavy damage with regens on). And you come here saying "I don't have much uptime myself, therefore play healer is sooooooooooooooooo easy and thus you have no excuse to not play the way I want". How about play your bard, do your bard things in-game? That helps way more than your "git gud" argument.

[Seoulstar]

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It was gone and you brought it back! ; ;

[miraidensetsu]

If that's the only thing you took away from this thread, you didn't actually read that much of it; that, or you are cherry-picking the parts that offend you most and not wanting to acknowledge the posts where people made helpful suggestions as to how to leverage healer DPS while balancing it appropriately with healing requirements.

If the hat fit on your head as well...

And there are difference between being useful and condescending.

As for guides, I'm not sure what you're expecting to see.

An guide that's updated for Stormblood.

DPS and Tank roles have buff/stance timers to be observed and set combos that need to be executed in sequence for optimal results;

If you said that, no wonder you fave no clue of what I'm looking for.

healers do not. There is no hard and fast rule of "when target drops to X% HP, use this spell."

But there are a lot of tips that isn't on tooltips that is scattered. There is an optimal rotation for some common situation. There is job mechanics that have a optimized way to use. There is even a way to get 3K+ DPS as healer. And all of that can be resumed into... A guide.

There are also a number of ways to achieve the same result while healing, so many attempts to create strict healer guides end up spreading disinformation or inadvertently promoting poor gameplay. I think all of this is why there are more often guides on using spells and cooldowns in certain encounters (e.g. Savage, Primal EX) than on the nuts and bolts of specific healer Jobs.

At least those people try to write something useful, even it isn't exactly the most optimized way of playing.

But you could write some guide.

If a player can read tooltips, learn through practice, and benefit from advice they find useful, they will be perfectly fine.

If the party don't kick him before he can learn something, that is it. Or do you forgot that practice involves 3 or 7 other players that not always have the patience to go through a wipefest because the healer don't know how to properly heal yet?

If they have specific questions about how certain spells and abilities work or what some useful applications for them are, I haven't observed that the forum community is miserly with its collective expertise.

But how about a response that demands more than a few lines that is really a newbie question that no one has the courage to ask here?

Remember, job mechanics > fight mechanics. A well understanding of the job mechanics is one of the things that make someone good.

[miraidensetsu]

It was gone and you brought it back! ; ;

Was testing my new raise script. Sorry ;-;

Well, I said all I wanted do say to who I wanted. My heart is lighter now. From now on, I'll help to kill this topic. Promise.

[Seoulstar]

Was testing my new raise script. Sorry ;-;

Well, I said all I wanted do say to who I wanted. My heart is lighter now. From now on, I'll help to kill this topic. Promise.

ah its fine lol

[Cynfael]

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I'm not going into this line-by-every-single-line with you; my points have already been made, you can take them as you will (apparently in the worst possible light you can contrive, but you do you).

I find it ironic that you seem to be demanding guides and help for newbies while you attack people who post opinions you don't like, don't actually call out what you're looking for (apparently Sebazy's guide somehow wasn't what you wanted?), and don't seem to be contributing anything positive yourself. It's not possible to have a productive conversation with you when you go off on tangents about healers supposedly being kicked because they didn't have the benefit of a perfect forum guide or are talking about a healer optimal DPS rotation (hint: there are only a few spells at best in a healer DPS "rotation," and one of them isn't a DoT). I don't understand your angle.

[Tridus]

Was testing my new raise script. Sorry ;-;

It refuses to stay dead because healers can only suppress our natural desire to cast Raise for so long.

[MoroMurasaki]

It refuses to stay dead because healers can only suppress our natural desire to cast Raise for so long.

But what if instead of Raise I just want to pop PoM, Thin Air, Cleric and then Holy it into the ground?

stuff about a lack of guides

Healing is far too subjective to outside interference to have a general guide like a DPS or even tank class. Even on a single boss different healers might do things incredibly different because of things like party composition, player skill and even their own past experiences on that encounter. Watching me heal O3N normally would not help someone healing O3N with the cohealer and OT that I just went through it with. Same encounter, both times I'm on WHM but my party members make it a wildly different experience.

If you have a question post a topic about it here, I haven't seen a single question from a new player asked in this forum sit for more than a couple of hours since I started posting here. You can complain all you want but back up if you want to insult the people who are active on the healer forum because they are by and large some of the most helpful people I have encountered online.

[Cynfael]

If you have a question post a topic about it here, I haven't seen a single question from a new player asked in this forum sit for more than a couple of hours since I started posting here. You can complain all you want but back up if you want to insult the people who are active on the healer forum because they are by and large some of the most helpful people I have encountered online.

I checked out a couple of the video guides mirai linked in another thread, and while the guy makes a nice video out of it, he's mostly just walking people through the tooltip for each ability and driving home common sense advice like how not to run yourself dry on MP by spamming your most powerful heal unnecessarily. It's good info for people who don't play healer or FFXIV at all and are thinking of picking up the role, but it's nothing that's likely to revolutionize anyone's gameplay.

I don't know what universal secret to amazing healing we elitists are supposed to be hiding from the unwashed common folk...or maybe it really is that the healer role is mechanically simple to play and that advice (of which there is plenty on these forums alone) is best served in context of a specific situation (e.g. "How do I heal X mechanic during Y boss fight? When should I use Z cooldown?").

DPS and Tanks have tons of guides because you literally can't perform those roles decently without stringing abilities together in a set sequence. Healers, by contrast, aren't concerned with healing max HPS nonstop, don't need to hold enmity, and have none of their DPS gated behind buff timers and combos. Useful healer information is more along the lines of tips like "all healing generates enmity," "don't sit on your cooldowns," or "use HoT and shield effects to help keep windows open so you can keep up your DoTs and nuke as appropriate." It's jarring to see someone claim that these forums are unhelpful when this kind of advice is given almost daily.

[NobleWinter]

Healing is extremely fluid. All Healers have toolkits that pour multiple flavors of water and just how thirsty your party or tank gets is up to chance, skill, party composition and knowledge. Ain't no guides for that outside of the Gubal Library and I don't care how Scholarly your Scholar is.