The mentality of a silent newbie healer/tank in trials/alliance raids...

[Kerwin]

I will be quite honest with you.

I am an experienced player who has been playing FFXIV since the alpha of version 1.0. Suffice to say I know a lot about the game.

But whenever new content comes out and I go to challenge it, no matter what role I take on, I will always... ALWAYS announce my first time experience in chat. This is a personal rule I make to myself because if I mess up due to a failed mechanic from not being familiar with it, I try not to inconvenience the rest of my group with agitation.

Now, I know that different people have different personalities and that some may not be more vocal then others, I get that and I understand that. But even as a "mentor," which we get a lot of flak for even being for some reason, I can't stress this enough that if you do not seek help, you will not receive it.

Some people like to go into a one of these raids blind to fully experience the content first hand. I also understand this, but it would be still wise to the rest of the party to indicate so at the beginning of the raid so that the party understands that there may be a struggle.

People would be far less impatient if one were to simply communicate.

Not only as a mentor, but as another fellow player enjoying the world of Eorzea, I love helping newer players with content. But if you play a critical role as a tank and a healer, and the tank loses aggro to mobs which kill the healers, or the healers can't dodge aoes which in turn wipes the group because of lack of either, it gets frustrating to everyone.

Especially since you never stated you were new. If you don't say anything, people will expect you know a fight. So if you keep wiping, people turn toxic, while if the user had at least said something prior, the resulting reaction wouldn't be the same (in most cases.)

I want to quote a lyric, which I know you all are pretty familiar with...

To all of my children in whom Life flows abundant...
To all of my children to whom Death hath passed his judgement...
The soul yearns for honor, and the flesh the hereafter...
Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after...

"Answers" - by Nobuo Uematsu, arranged by Tsutomu Narita, with lyrics by Yaeko Sato and Michael-Christopher Koji Fox, and performed by American musician, Susan Calloway.

I am not glorifying the mentor status, we get a lot of flak for people abusing the Novice Network as general chat with spoilers and nonsense talk, but I just want to make something clear...

Communicate with your party, don't be silent. Please inform your parties of any concerns, even if it's as little as "I'm new." People will respect and tolerate you far far more.

Thanks for reading my post.

[Arrius]

Especially since you never stated you were new. If you don't say anything, people will expect you know a fight. So if you keep wiping, people turn toxic, while if the user had at least said something prior, the resulting reaction wouldn't be the same (in most cases.)

What's wrong to expect that they know what they should do? That's part of the self improvement everyone should strive for.
If they haven't backed themselves up with the knowledge and wisdom shared across various websites and social network posts, then I share no sympathy for these individuals.

[Lazaruz]

What's wrong to expect that they know what they should do? That's part of the self improvement everyone should strive for.
If they haven't backed themselves up with the knowledge and wisdom shared across various websites and social network posts, then I share no sympathy for these individuals.

I dont think what OP meant was letting people know that they're new to excuse "ignorance" of mechanics, but rather not having first hand experience with the mechanics.

It's one thing for someone to tell you how to do a mechanic, and it's another entirely to actually be the one at the controls and having to do the mechanic correctly

And frankly, especially as I try to generaly play by the same rules of letting people know if I'm new or not, I deffinetely appreciate people letting me know that they're new to a dungeon/raid as it lets me know that they dont have first hand experience with the fight, and I would then be silly to expect a 100% perfect run

[DracotheDragon]

What's wrong to expect that they know what they should do? That's part of the self improvement everyone should strive for.
If they haven't backed themselves up with the knowledge and wisdom shared across various websites and social network posts, then I share no sympathy for these individuals.

Some people myself included enjoy going into a fight for the first time blind and learning by doing its Just the way some people find enjoyment in this game

[Kerwin]

What's wrong to expect that they know what they should do? That's part of the self improvement everyone should strive for.
If they haven't backed themselves up with the knowledge and wisdom shared across various websites and social network posts, then I share no sympathy for these individuals.

I can understand your frustration. The information is readily available. But different people experience content differently then others. That's why people do blind runs sometimes.

I personally don't like to just announce mechanics before each pull. People learn far faster doing a fight than reading a long list instructions. That and I want to respect blind runners too. But they still need to be vocal before hand I think.

[tinythinker]

I can understand your frustration. The information is readily available. But different people experience content differently then others. That's why people do blind runs sometimes.

I personally don't like to just announce mechanics before each pull. People learn far faster doing a fight than reading a long list instructions. That and I want to respect blind runners too. But they still need to be vocal before hand I think.

Not everyone can or does play regularly or do instances regularly, and if you unlock a lot of things, it can be hard to recall when you've been away. Not everyone gets a returner crown (on a few days, off a month, etc) and even when they do they still may be re-learning after it expires. So saying you are returning or rusty is important.

But the other idea, implying (probably unintentionally) that you must look up guides to every piece of unlocked content before going into a roulette, is off. I will say when I am feeling rusty or don't remember a dungeon very well or if I have trouble with big pulls in an instance, and so on. It doesn't always help in terms of other player's choices or attitudes, but it seems like the polite thing to do. But that isn't under our control.

[Neophyte]

What's wrong to expect that they know what they should do? That's part of the self improvement everyone should strive for.
If they haven't backed themselves up with the knowledge and wisdom shared across various websites and social network posts, then I share no sympathy for these individuals.

Unless you're in a party explicitly stating 'know strat' you don't have to look up any videos, esp. not for a 24-man.

The most time people die or wipe the group for example because of a missed add is because a) too slow reaction (e.g. red puddles on 2nd boss), b) bad player in general (not knowing basics of the game, e.g. how to handle heals/tanking/dps properly) or c) not paying attention at all.
And not because they didn't watch a guide.

[Serilda]

I've never watched a guide video in my entire time playing this game (or any other) and I'm not starting now. There's no enjoyment for me in parroting what others do rather than reading the fight myself, even if it means not being perfect occasionally.

But I agree with the OP; it's wonderful when someone new announces themselves at the start; you know right away that if there are any troubles you can look after them and they will be receptive to tips. It's standard in my datacentre to do this and it really helps the atmosphere. Whereas when you keep wiping because someone is new and they won't say who it is or engage with the group, it's one of the most frustrating experiences in the whole of FFXIV.

Communication is pretty great.

[RiyahArp]

But the other idea, implying (probably unintentionally) that you must look up guides to every piece of unlocked content before going into a roulette, is off. I will say when I am feeling rusty or don't remember a dungeon very well or if I have trouble with big pulls in an instance, and so on. It doesn't always help in terms of other player's choices or attitudes, but it seems like the polite thing to do. But that isn't under our control.

It's not off, at all. SE loves to make instant death mechanics that aren't always easy to read in the middle of the chaos of battle. If you aren't really good at reading and reacting on the fly, you're going to be on the floor a lot, and SE massively punishes healers in particular if they die , by loss of MP and things like the fairy and aetherflow stacks for sch. In content where you specifically make learning parties its ok, but in repeatable "just hard enough" content its bad. That's the way the game is.

[Shuny]

I always tell the party when I'm new in the content. And like when others tell too. Sometimes after I say I'm new, other player say de same.
When I have lag, that not an instant lag , I tell the party too.