The mentality of a silent newbie healer/tank in trials/alliance raids...

[DracotheDragon]

What's wrong to expect that they know what they should do? That's part of the self improvement everyone should strive for.
If they haven't backed themselves up with the knowledge and wisdom shared across various websites and social network posts, then I share no sympathy for these individuals.

Some people myself included enjoy going into a fight for the first time blind and learning by doing its Just the way some people find enjoyment in this game

[LineageRazor]

Some people myself included enjoy going into a fight for the first time blind and learning by doing its Just the way some people find enjoyment in this game

And that's great! So long as you are doing it with other like-minded individuals. However, if you had the opportunity to educate yourself, and chose not to, and then inflicted yourself on seven other people who now have to carry you through the content, that's where it begins to become less admirable.

As I see it, going into a fight blind is forgivable if:
- The content is new. Like, less than a week old.
- The content is very forgiving, like a dungeon, or non-Ex Trial.
- All other participants are aware of your newness and agreed to indulge it before entering the instance.

Seriously, it's not that hard to put a group together that will be happy to run the content with you blind. Just dropping in on a party at random, though? If you're LUCKY, they will explain the contents to you, which will ruin your "learning the fight" just as much as if you'd researched the fight. If you're unlucky, the party will disband after a few wipes, and you've just wasted the time of seven other people just to indulge yourself. If your methods for finding enjoyment in this game rely on sacrificing the enjoyment of others, then they are bad methods.

[LineageRazor]

People like you and the first guy i quoted, really bring out the worst in the community. Arbitrary expectation, that you guys never mention. You don't hear people talk in NN about "oh you have to research fights before hand" to expect to is unrealistic.

You ignored a key sentence in what I wrote:

if you had the opportunity to educate yourself, and chose not to, and then inflicted yourself on seven other people who now have to carry you through the content, that's where it begins to become less admirable.

If you have no ability to view videos, then obviously you don't have the opportunity to educate yourself. If you don't know about this expectation, then you're not making a choice to remain uneducated. In either case, it's forgivable to go in blind. Individuals who KNOW that being educated is expected, have the ability to do so, and then choose not to - that's when things start to get iffy.

For the record, by the way, while I consider this conduct to be rude, I neither comment on nor punish individuals for neglecting this basic bit of etiquette. A Mentor is there to help, and help I shall, even if the individual in question SHOULD have done their part to help themselves. I do feel badly for the other newbies in the instance, however, who did do the prep work and now have to spend the better part of an hour bringing the others up to speed, and perhaps running out the timer without a win.

As for not knowing what others in the party are thinking, that goes both ways. The new player does not know that the other people in the party would be upset if they knew the new player was going in blind. However, it doesn't take a giant leap of intuition to guess that if there's a way to complete the content quicker and more easily, folks are going to be in favor of it. Speed and efficiency are very nearly all anyone ever talks about in the game. "How can I level more quickly?" "What stats will kill the monster the fastest?" "Can I fit another attack in before moving out of the aoe?" And so on and so forth. If you're going to guess at the mindset of the other players in the party, it's a pretty safe bet to assume that they'd be happier if the new player did the prep work.

This is why I advocate finding like-minded individuals. I have several friends I call upon to tackle content blind. If I can't gather enough friends to do so, I advertise in party finder, making it clear that we're going in blind. I don't make a habit of dropping in on random parties when I want to experience content raw (unless, again, the content is very new), and advocate that others do the same. Learning the fights yourself can be a lot of fun - and there are lots of others who feel the same way. FIND those others, and do the content with them. Don't take the lazy way out.

[jackass1203]

And that's great! So long as you are doing it with other like-minded individuals...

I'd also like to add that to me at least I find it acceptable if it's in a DF pug or in a PF that accepts first timers. Other than that I'd probably have an issue with (especially if you join in a progression run that's trying to push a certain part and you have no idea what's going on). If there's a tank though that's going in as a first timer I think that's a different issue and they should have at least watched a video to learn the mechanics.

Whenever I do a pug and I see a first timer with no one saying anything I pull either way and if we wipe then I'll ask who's new and ask what they don't understand to fill them in.

not everyone owns a pc, or a smart phone...

Smartphones can be extremely cheap now if you can't afford a $200 smartphone but a $400 console then there's a problem there. Also, PS4's have the YouTube app which there are a lot of guides for fights there.

[frostmagemari]

Smartphones can be extremely cheap now if you can't afford a $200 smartphone but a $400 console then there's a problem there. Also, PS4's have the YouTube app which there are a lot of guides for fights there.

So does that mean we should expect everyone to have a PC then? For under a $1000 you can buy a PC that's powerful enough to run FFXIV on low/med settings.
As to the expectation that one should have a smartphone though.. it's a $200 smartphone plus easily a $60 monthly fee for anything worthwhile (and even then, not all providers offer much data) and some can't afford the smartphone plans regularly or don't find a need to have a smart phone (or it's plan) when a simple voice+text plan will do what they need to do in life.

[jackass1203]

So does that mean we should expect everyone to have a PC then? For under a $1000 you can buy a PC that's powerful enough to run FFXIV on low/med settings.
As to the expectation that one should have a smartphone though.. it's a $200 smartphone plus easily a $60 monthly fee for anything worthwhile (and even then, not all providers offer much data) and some can't afford the smartphone plans regularly or don't find a need to have a smart phone (or it's plan) when a simple voice+text plan will do what they need to do in life.

If someone is honestly having problems with $60 a month then they really should re-prioritize their things instead of playing a game that you have to pay for internet/subscription as well as buying a console and tv. As for the computer? I never mentioned that at all and quite honestly if someone doesn't have a computer in this day and age then that'd be surprising. I'm not talking about an expensive gaming computer but even a laptop which can be pretty cheap.


After a quick google search I found this for $80 so yeah if you can't even afford something like that but enjoy playing on a ps4 then yes that to me would be a problem.
https://shop.totalwireless.com/shop/...FY6QhwodhkEGpg

[Ilan]

Some people myself included enjoy going into a fight for the first time blind and learning by doing its Just the way some people find enjoyment in this game

I agree with that as long as it is not something like an ex primal or savage that is out for a while and you join in a farm party. For that you have to inform yourself just for the reason to not be an issue for the party.

[DracotheDragon]

I agree with that as long as it is not something like an ex primal or savage that is out for a while and you join in a farm party. For that you have to inform yourself just for the reason to not be an issue for the party.

oh for that i agree, a farm party implies a clear or near clear knowlage, mainly the blind runs i do is either content everyone has already been able to have done, brand new content, or if you have a group of people (pre-made or not) with people who are new, who politely agree to blind running, from my experiance saying your new, most people tend to let you run blind, while only a few will explain mechanics.