Restricting houses to one per account!!!

[Penthea]

"It's a crappy situation but the fact that these players bought the land fair and square cannot be disputed. They had the resources and they were available to purchase. The land belongs to them and no one has the right to guilt them into letting it go just because someone else wants it. If they start house flipping that's another thing altogether. It still doesn't negate their right to ownership if they bought it from the game with gil.

The hate should be directed at SE for having a system so broken that the actions of a minority can have massive negative impact"

and to think that was only a few months ago
Ive never agreed with you more

And I stand by this. It cannot be disputed. You do own your houses. I have never once said you do not own them and I completely agree with your right to hang on to them as long as SE lets you. What I don't agree with is anyone being able to have more than one personal and one fc house per server.

But just because I disagree doesn't mean I will go around saying you don't own your houses. You do. And if you want to dispute this then please, by all means, direct me to a post where I said anyone with several houses does not own them.

I am saying players should not be able to have several personal and fc houses on one server, not that if they do then they don't own them. Don't confuse both for the same thing.

Assuming you have not, then I'm glad we agree

As for the hate directed at you it's because of your numerous claims to more rights to housing because you paid for a transfer unlike other players who got, as you say, "free rides". If you dropped the elitist attitude then maybe people would be more sympathetic.

[Siniztor]

And I stand by this. It cannot be disputed. You do own your houses. I have never once said you do not own them and I completely agree with your right to hang on to them as long as SE lets you. What I don't agree with is anyone being able to have more than one personal and one fc house per server.

But just becauseI disagree doesn't mean I will go around saying you don't own your houses. You do. And if you want to dispute this then please, by all means, direct me to a post where I said anyone with several houses does not own them.

I am saying players should not be able to have several personal and fc houses on one server, not that if they do then they don't own them. Don't confuse both for the same thing.

Assuming you have not, then I'm glad we agree

As for the hate directed at you it's because of your numerous claims to more rights to housing because you paid for a transfer unlike other players who got, as you say, "free rides".

i was reffering to the "The land belongs to them and no one has the right to guilt them into letting it go just because someone else wants it." mostly.

Cause as i've said from the begging if they change the rules so be it but grandfather in the old multi house owners who did nothing wrong.. Now you this whole time have been fighting to take away from people as you said have done nothing wrong.... what changed did you not get a house in the new area?? guess what me either i never tried for a personal house in the new area.. in fact not only did i not i try i down sized i let go of my large personal house (in the mist not the new area) i paid 50 mil for go to move my large fc house to that plot and bought a small out of the way

[Penthea]

i was reffering to the "The land belongs to them and no one has the right to guilt them into letting it go just because someone else wants it." mostly.

Please direct me to a post where I told you that you should discard your houses.

You'll find I said no such thing.

You'll find I'm calling for SE, not you, to introduce an alteration to the system that prevents ownership of excess housing. As long as SE do nothing, then you can continue to do nothing.

But this does not mean we cannot debate the ramifications of such a change and what players who own excess housing are entitled to if does come to the game. Nor does it means we cannot debate the problems that the current system nurtures.

But you see players calling for a change the same as players harassing you personally to discard your houses. I don't think anyone has asked or told you to discard your excess houses. They have told you that you should not have them. Not the same thing.

[Titor]

Let's assume that the bullying in this thread has caused someone to relinquish one of their two houses that they used everyday for rp, decorating, hosting events, etc. They just relinquished it right now, and a silent player that keeps to themselves goes to buy it. None of those complaining get it. The new person to own the house is rather inactive and just uses it to garden on occasion, no decoration, nothing (This is what I have seen with many server-relinquished inactivity plots on balmung)

Now what do we complain about? What other restrictions will make it more fair? How many more hoops do we need to add for you to get your perfect plot? I've done the math, you don't even -need- to do the math to see that even with the harshest of restrictions, not everyone is going to be able to own a house. This is not the solution.

[Rokke]

Let's assume that the bullying in this thread has caused someone to relinquish one of their two houses that they used everyday for rp, decorating, hosting events, etc.

replying to quotes =/= bulling lmao

They just relinquished it right now, and a silent player that keeps to themselves goes to buy it. None of those complaining get it. The new person to own the house is rather inactive and just uses it to garden on occasion, no decoration, nothing (This is what I have seen with many server-relinquished inactivity plots on balmung)

Now what do we complain about? What other restrictions will make it more fair? How many more hoops do we need to add for you to get your perfect plot? I've done the math, you don't even -need- to do the math to see that even with the harshest of restrictions, not everyone is going to be able to own a house. This is not the solution.

Reread all 8 pages of replies to your thread - no one has argued that this will solve the housing shortage. This isn't ~THE~ solution, this is a baby step SE should have taken a long time ago. No one expects this chage to suddenly give them a beachfront plot, but it would at least prevent one person from owning all the beachfront plots.

You want SE to do a complete overhaul of the system. In a perfect world, that'd be great! I love the idea of dynamic wards. I honestly though that was what they were going to do with apartments, and they can't even manage to get that going. Unless SE drops another moon on us, I don't see it happening.

[Titor]

replying to quotes =/= bulling lmao

Wishing people that own multiple houses ill-will and mental anguish, and telling them to leave the game is most definitely bullying.

However, to the topic at hand, I don't think that having a lot of restrictions is a good idea. The time will probably come, eventually, when they will redo the housing system or find out how to get enough wards for everyone. They've revamped stuff in the past, Diadem, pvp, the combat system, heck they even revamped the whole game. It moves slowly, but when that point in time comes, it is going to be a huge pain if we have all of these restrictions on housing, even though there will (hopefully) no longer be a shortage.

[Dragonrage53]

Siniztor to be honest your not wrong, but you clearly own many plots and are defending your right to own them. Your not breaking any rules or doing anything wrong under current rules However, what your doing is ethically wrong. To put it in a way most people would understand its like going to someone elses birthday party taking half the cake and all the ice cream. Then turning around and selling the cake and the ice cream back to the same party for a profit or just greedily eating it all yourself when there is now a shortage of cake and ice cream in front of everyone. Now this isn't all your fault Sinztor SE never set limitations on how many homes a person can own to begin with this needs to be fixed. All this stated, your enthusiastic defense isn't making you any friends just enjoy all your homes quietly no need to stoke the fire.

[Vahlnir]

Wishing people that own multiple houses ill-will and mental anguish, and telling them to leave the game is most definitely bullying.

However, to the topic at hand, I don't think that having a lot of restrictions is a good idea.

There's no need to bully people who own multiple personal houses, this accomplishes absolutely nothing and gets the discussion nowhere. However, my personal opinion is that restrictions such as 1 personal, 1 FC house per account/server (preferably server) would be a good first step in addressing the ever growing issues of housing. I have a personal house myself, and the idea of having more than 1 personal estate just comes across as selfish. That's just how I view the whole thing. The people who own multiple should, in the event that such a measure gets implemented, be compensated for the full price of their houses and maybe allow their furnishings to be transferred back to a character of their choosing.

[LadyKairi]

Making it so you can only have 1 personal/FC house per server is not an extra hoop to jump through. You'd be able to get a house just the same as now. The only difference is you wouldn't be able to own more than the one, which is all anyone should even have. ONE. The only people who would have to jump through hoops are those trying to abuse housing. It should be harder for people to hoard multiple houses. It is a single restriction that should have been added a long time ago. You bring up a single player buying a once frequently used plot, and then letting it sit idle indefinitely. I don't think you could stop these people, no matter how many restrictions you put on them.Personally I would like to see those kinds of people not get a house, but what can you do? What can SE do? They are going to be that way even with instance housing. Now lets use the same situation you brought up, only someone like myself buys the plot instead. The once frequently used plot is still being frequently used and decorated with care. What then? The house is still being used, only it belongs to someone else. How is that a bad thing?

I'm going to use my server as an example as to why the restriction would be a great addition. I took a stroll with my friend in a single ward of the goblet a while ago. Know what we saw? A single person owning over half of the ward. Know what 95% of the houses looked like? Empty. Completely empty, give or take an item or two in a couple of them. I've been told those houses have been that way for years. A bunch of houses sitting empty and unused, while there are people desperate for a place of their own. And that is just in one ward. There are many people who have done this sort of thing. If they had to give up their plots except two of them, then that gives more people a chance at having their own house. Is it a solution to the housing crisis? Gods no, but it is a baby step until they actually do fix it.

Again, I don't want people who don't use their houses to have one. I have a neighbor like that right now, but they are greatly out shined by the number of people who actually do go to their house, use it and interact with their neighbors. If the restriction means more people can have the opportunity to enjoy housing just as much as I do, then I am all for it. Houses should not be kept within the same few people on a server who can afford to own a bunch of houses, just because they can. It should be more spread out through a bunch of different people. Like others have said, it is not a solution, but it is a baby step. I do hope there will be enough housing for everyone some day, but my faith in SE when it comes to housing is dwindling.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Cause as i've said from the begging if they change the rules so be it but grandfather in the old multi house owners who did nothing wrong.. Now you this whole time have been fighting to take away from people as you said have done nothing wrong.... what changed did you not get a house in the new area?? guess what me either i never tried for a personal house in the new area.. in fact not only did i not i try i down sized i let go of my large personal house (in the mist not the new area) i paid 50 mil for go to move my large fc house to that plot and bought a small out of the way

This is an inherently hypocritical stance. You denounce house flipping yet that was never against the rules originally, but an initially unofficial addendum made due to the rampant abuse and limited supply. In fact, only recently did Yoshida comment on it personally. They still have yet to include it in the ToS as a punishable offense. Basically, they changed the rules as Penthea and numerous others are purposing they do again. Have you broken any rules? No, nor do I fault you for taking advantage of a poorly designed system. That doesn't mean you should be exempt from a correction to said system. Those are the risks you incur whenever exploiting workarounds. I'll remind you of the ToS you seemingly ignored in my last reply to you.

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