Restricting houses to one per account!!!

[Penthea]

Let's assume that the bullying in this thread has caused someone to relinquish one of their two houses

There is no bullying here. Just some people, myself included, getting very sick of a particular poster repeatedly trying to use the fact that he paid for his server transfer as a way of elevating his right to ownership of houses above those who did not pay. If he simply said "I got here first" then fine because he did, and the system is first come first served. However he complains about "free rides" spreading the housing issue to his server as if they didn't deserve to be on the server as much as he does. He has basically said many times "I paid more irl money so I deserve more" which is classic elitism.

No one is telling him he should relinquish his land, no one has said he should discard the houses, no one has attempted to force him to do anything. And as far as I know no one has pursued him or his fc mates in game about his several plots. They have only highlighted that purchasing behaviour like his is making a bad situation worse.

No one is forcing anyone to go to the forums. We can all leave at any time and we certainly can report people if we suspect actual bullying is going on. You're mistaking "calling out someone on their awful attitude" for bullying.

Wishing people that own multiple houses ill-will and mental anguish, and telling them to leave the game is most definitely bullying.

As much as I agree with you that wishing ill on someone is bad, he asked for it. When you repeatedly complain about players using free transfers as if they're peasants who dared to try to become your neighbours, you're not exactly encouraging positive feedback.

[Dragonrage53]

As i have posted they have broken no rules, but they are ethically wrong in their belief that they got there first and no one else can have a house because themselves and all their buddies bought 6 houses each in the same ward. Where do you draw the line? In the end its not fair but you cant blame them for being defensive they did pay for their lots and fight to get more of them, so they did earn them. However, the more the housing system abusers squirm, sweat and shout the more enemies they make. So please let them shoot themselves in the foot multiple times if the system gets fixed and they have to relinquish all but one of their homes they will be crying and it would have been"all their fault" not anyone elses.

-Just to add a note "all their fault" is defined as knowingly abusing the broken housing system knowing that one day it will possibly get fixed and they have to eat all that gil they pumped into those homes they no longer own.

[Tussin]

-Just to add a note "all their fault" is defined as knowingly abusing the broken housing system knowing that one day it will possibly get fixed and they have to eat all that gil they pumped into those homes they no longer own.

most of these house flippers made money so easily and by extremely huge margins most people never see making gil honestly.

and to be blunt they aren't adding anything to the economy, you don't produce or generate to the game, you are in fact parasitic to people who go legit

[Titor]

in their belief that they got there first

How do you feel about people that own multiple houses by purchasing some plots second hand with the reseller gil price? And I'm not saying with RMT either, but with legit earned gil they crafted or worked hard for.

[Dragonrage53]

The problem lies with the system and the players that choose to knowingly manipulate it knowing that there mat be change incoming. Are the devs going to fix it or are they all hot air on this like usual we don't know yet. But the problem persists if you own multiple homes that's a problem right now no matter what the rules say. And those that continue to hope they can hold on to excessive amounts will be shedding a lot of tears if they do actually fix it. The same holds for anyone leaning on a glitch in a dungeon, using unclear rules to validate their argument... sooner or later the rules always get clarified and the bugs fixed leaving the abuser crying in the corner with no one caring about them at all.

[Dragonrage53]

As far as a small time buddy to buddy house selling as long as its fair and not hording lots or house flopping its a grey issue. If joe was leaving the game is it fair to let jane his friend buy the house plot yeah that's cool. However anything more that that is simply put wrong.

[Siniztor]

There is no bullying here. Just some people, myself included, getting very sick of a particular poster repeatedly trying to use the fact that he paid for his server transfer as a way of elevating his right to ownership of houses above those who did not pay. If he simply said "I got here first" then fine because he did, and the system is first come first served. However he complains about "free rides" spreading the housing issue to his server as if they didn't deserve to be on the server as much as he does. He has basically said many times "I paid more irl money so I deserve more" which is classic elitism.
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So i check the fourms on my honeymoon to see this, ok what i ment and have said in other threads is..before the free transfer anyone who is complaning they couldn't get a house for years,could of got a house like i did by paying the $18 to transfer to anyone of the low pop servers with 100's of houses..

It was your personal chose to either stay on a server for friends or a fc but for years 100's of houses sat empty..My #1 priority was owning houses for my 3 rp char. so i looked into SE rules found i could pay real life money to transfer to where there was 100's of empty homes..

As far as the free riders i personal know a few who paid SE $18 to go to balmug who owned houses before they left for balmug to go to a place with no houses...took a free ride back and are complainig they cant get a house (these are the people who really get me , if you wanted a house so bad why did you leave your house that was your chose, yet they paid to go to a sever with no housing only to complain after a free ride)...

I'm not just complain about my server but all low pop servers where housing wasnt a issue.....Se free transfer system took what was X amount of servers with housing problems and Y amount with no problems... and smashed Y out of the picture now all servers have housing problems..low pop servers wernt dead we had great coummintys..there free transfers should of been to brand new servers spreading the population out there even if they had to add 3 or 4 more servers then work on the high n med pop housing issue..but the free rides have now made the housing issues on servers that didnt have a issue...

Put it this way if you have 4 washcloths on fire in your kitchen you work on putting them out...you don't move a wash cloth into your living room bathroom and bedroom now causing you to have fires in 4 rooms to try and fix when you could of fixed where the problem was at first


Ohh and the birthday cake makes no sense for me since ive never sold a house in this game..i have let plots go to move to new areas but never sold a plot for any thing not even to get my gil back ive took the gil lose on 2 lrgs 2 meds and 3 smalls

Now weither you agree or disagree with me thats fine were allowed our opinions, we all have them , but i can tell you id never sink so low as tell you to go play another game because i disagree with some thing you said

[RedBlitz]

I would like to address some business concerns regarding this housing issue. "Ancient" players as some have called them have a proven track record of paying their subscription. From a business standpoint (which is the only standpoint SE really cares about) these players are a more reliable source of income than new players. Housing was added as a character feature not an account feature hence when you pay to have more than one character those features come along with that purchase according to the patch 2.38 notes and I quote,

"- Purchasing Land
In order to purchase land, a character must first have attained level 50 in at least one class and also have earned the rank of second lieutenant in one of the Grand Companies. Each character meeting these requirements can purchase a single unowned plot via the placards found within the residential districts.
Plots of any size and within any ward may be purchased." (Square Enix, 2014)

Those that pay to move to other servers run the risk of not having any housing available on their new server and losing the housing they had on their old server. This is and always was a known risk. Those that take that risk have no one to blame but themselves for being "homeless". Could the housing have been implemented better? Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't implemented properly and is solely the fault of SE. As far as those players who feel they deserve all of the things that older players have.... that's just silly. What about those players who didn't play legacy? Should all players have the tattoo, chocobo, or cumulus just because someone else has it? That would devalue the work, devotion, or what-have-you of players who have stuck by SE's side for so long.

As far as Penthea's illogical argument that Siniztor is being elitist, if you paid more money in ANY other scenario wouldn't you expect to receive more than someone who paid less? That's common sense. The only reason this issue has been permitted to run this long and get to the level of vitriol that we're seeing is because it keeps the playerbase bickering instead of assessing the true culprits (i.e. SE) and forcing them into a position where they are required to fix it. Band-aids won't work here and SE knows they will have to devote considerable resources to fix it.

Reference
Square Enix. (2014). Patch 2.38 Notes. Retrieved from https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...6869b10e012e57

[Dragonrage53]

As far as legacy players rights... the housing system was put into effect after arr was introduced officially so its not a legacy "right". Is SE largely responsible for the housing debacle yes it is. That being said anytime you make something "exclusive and limited" its a call for every rmt company to buy it all up and sell it off at a premium. Now theres always the ones that have 2-5 houses for alts which is just as wrong as the rmt's selling plots, but the twist is that if its fixed its not the rmt's that hurt the most its the ones that want homes for all their alts that are left out out in the cold. If there's a alternative that is effective there wouldn't be a problem but there's not one. Lets add the fact that gardening is caged within housing compounding the issue of a flawed system to begin with.

[JackHatchet]

He's probably just a house flipper. Why else would he be so anal about being able to have more houses?