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    Quote Originally Posted by Siniztor View Post
    "It's a crappy situation but the fact that these players bought the land fair and square cannot be disputed. They had the resources and they were available to purchase. The land belongs to them and no one has the right to guilt them into letting it go just because someone else wants it. If they start house flipping that's another thing altogether. It still doesn't negate their right to ownership if they bought it from the game with gil.

    The hate should be directed at SE for having a system so broken that the actions of a minority can have massive negative impact"

    and to think that was only a few months ago
    Ive never agreed with you more
    And I stand by this. It cannot be disputed. You do own your houses. I have never once said you do not own them and I completely agree with your right to hang on to them as long as SE lets you. What I don't agree with is anyone being able to have more than one personal and one fc house per server.

    But just because I disagree doesn't mean I will go around saying you don't own your houses. You do. And if you want to dispute this then please, by all means, direct me to a post where I said anyone with several houses does not own them.

    I am saying players should not be able to have several personal and fc houses on one server, not that if they do then they don't own them. Don't confuse both for the same thing.

    Assuming you have not, then I'm glad we agree

    As for the hate directed at you it's because of your numerous claims to more rights to housing because you paid for a transfer unlike other players who got, as you say, "free rides". If you dropped the elitist attitude then maybe people would be more sympathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    And I stand by this. It cannot be disputed. You do own your houses. I have never once said you do not own them and I completely agree with your right to hang on to them as long as SE lets you. What I don't agree with is anyone being able to have more than one personal and one fc house per server.

    But just becauseI disagree doesn't mean I will go around saying you don't own your houses. You do. And if you want to dispute this then please, by all means, direct me to a post where I said anyone with several houses does not own them.

    I am saying players should not be able to have several personal and fc houses on one server, not that if they do then they don't own them. Don't confuse both for the same thing.

    Assuming you have not, then I'm glad we agree

    As for the hate directed at you it's because of your numerous claims to more rights to housing because you paid for a transfer unlike other players who got, as you say, "free rides".
    i was reffering to the "The land belongs to them and no one has the right to guilt them into letting it go just because someone else wants it." mostly.

    Cause as i've said from the begging if they change the rules so be it but grandfather in the old multi house owners who did nothing wrong.. Now you this whole time have been fighting to take away from people as you said have done nothing wrong.... what changed did you not get a house in the new area?? guess what me either i never tried for a personal house in the new area.. in fact not only did i not i try i down sized i let go of my large personal house (in the mist not the new area) i paid 50 mil for go to move my large fc house to that plot and bought a small out of the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siniztor View Post
    i was reffering to the "The land belongs to them and no one has the right to guilt them into letting it go just because someone else wants it." mostly.
    Please direct me to a post where I told you that you should discard your houses.

    You'll find I said no such thing.

    You'll find I'm calling for SE, not you, to introduce an alteration to the system that prevents ownership of excess housing. As long as SE do nothing, then you can continue to do nothing.

    But this does not mean we cannot debate the ramifications of such a change and what players who own excess housing are entitled to if does come to the game. Nor does it means we cannot debate the problems that the current system nurtures.

    But you see players calling for a change the same as players harassing you personally to discard your houses. I don't think anyone has asked or told you to discard your excess houses. They have told you that you should not have them. Not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siniztor View Post
    Cause as i've said from the begging if they change the rules so be it but grandfather in the old multi house owners who did nothing wrong.. Now you this whole time have been fighting to take away from people as you said have done nothing wrong.... what changed did you not get a house in the new area?? guess what me either i never tried for a personal house in the new area.. in fact not only did i not i try i down sized i let go of my large personal house (in the mist not the new area) i paid 50 mil for go to move my large fc house to that plot and bought a small out of the way
    This is an inherently hypocritical stance. You denounce house flipping yet that was never against the rules originally, but an initially unofficial addendum made due to the rampant abuse and limited supply. In fact, only recently did Yoshida comment on it personally. They still have yet to include it in the ToS as a punishable offense. Basically, they changed the rules as Penthea and numerous others are purposing they do again. Have you broken any rules? No, nor do I fault you for taking advantage of a poorly designed system. That doesn't mean you should be exempt from a correction to said system. Those are the risks you incur whenever exploiting workarounds. I'll remind you of the ToS you seemingly ignored in my last reply to you.

    11.8 Changes to this User Agreement. Square Enix reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to change, modify, add to, supplement or delete any of the terms and conditions of this User Agreement or the way that the Game operates at any time. Square Enix will notify you of such changes in one of the following ways at its sole discretion: through a patch, email, postal mail, website posting, pop-up screen or in-game notice. If you do not agree to any such change or modification, you may terminate this User Agreement by uninstalling the Licensed Software and destroying your copy(ies). Your continued use of the Game following any revision to this User Agreement will demonstrate your full acceptance of any and all such changes.


    You agreed to their terms, thus they reserve the right to make adjustments to their systems as they please.
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