Feedback Regarding GM Dorxenore (Further Review by Management Recommended)

[ElHeggunte]

Ok, I'm surprised people are seemingly defending the people posting obscene/offensive language in NN. For those uninformed, this is quoted straight from the ToS under "Prohibited Activities":

3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

Given this, a full on normal report of the person is permissible and advised by SE themselves.

That's more them covering their bases than really caring about what's said in chat channels (otherwise the profanity filter wouldn't be optional, and censorship would be hard-coded into chat like some other games do). It may vary by GM, but in general they're just going to tell you to blacklist them, which is a perfectly reasonable response considering that's the entire reason it exists. It's not defending people being "obscene", it's being realistic. SE gave us tools to help deal with disputes and if you refuse to make use of them like the OP that's your own fault.

[SwdVengeance]

That's more them covering their bases than really caring about what's said in chat channels (otherwise the profanity filter wouldn't be optional, and censorship would be hard-coded into chat like some other games do). It may vary by GM, but in general they're just going to tell you to blacklist them, which is a perfectly reasonable response considering that's the entire reason it exists. It's not defending people being "obscene", it's being realistic. SE gave us tools to help deal with disputes and if you refuse to make use of them like the OP that's your own fault.

I get the understandable approach of blacklisting, I do. I wasn't saying that isn't a reasonable approach in combination with the report they made. I understand you're not necessarily defending their actions, but if you're using the fact that blacklist exist as a rational to not report them, then I do have to call your reasoning into question. Not to sway the topic, but you're then boiling it down to "If I don't see it/It doesn't affect me, no reason to concern myself with it." Admittedly, if this was about any other channel other than NN, I probably wouldn't be making this argument. However, I've had a friend quit over the toxicity of NN before. I managed to dissuade him out of it, however NN can often be the first impression of this game people get. While I'm not saying everyone or even many would quit over such a thing, your complicity by simply ignoring the issue can actively hurt the game's community.

I admit, there is a decent portion of information missing from the OP as well, and can't assume the exact circumstances, but people are seemingly attacking the fact he kicked them in an attempt to moderate the channel. If they were really spamming vulgar and obscene things, I fail to see how anyone can fault him for doing so.

[Justuas]

[8:32 p.m.][GM]Gm Dorxenore >> I would like to inform you, that players can chat about anything they wish to chat in any of the chat channels, including the novice network. Although the main purpose for the novice network is to assist the new players, it doesn't mean that is the only form of communication that can partake in that channel.

So you can chat about anything eh? This must mean that rmt activity, like advertising, and such aren't forbidden at all.

Poor choice of words there.

3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

The game is rated 16+ and the game itself contains mild profanity.

[alimdia]

There are certain words that have got people suspended for saying them in shout or party chat, but according to this GM saying the same words in the NN is fine?

The NN should get the same treatment as every other public chat.

[Rinuko]

NN should ONLY be for helping new players. Period.

That's my honest opinion

[BillyKaplan]

The NN should get the same treatment as every other public chat.

I think the NN should be upheld to a stricter standard, personally. Because it's intended for new players who can more easily be put off from the game if that's one of their first experiences in it, and Mentors, who really should know better.

[Ilan]

The game is rated 16+ and the game itself contains mild profanity.

The ToS are what Zarabeth quoted and here in germany ff14 is 12+. That means you have kids in the game and you have to behave yourself acordingly.

[Pence]

The game is rated 16+ and the game itself contains mild profanity.

Key word: A reasonable person.

Using the word 'bastard' is different to dropping the C bomb. A reasonable person will not be offended by bastard......but drop the C word and I can almost guarantee a whole lot of people will be offended.

(Australians need not apply).

[Freyt]

Key word: A reasonable person.

Using the word 'bastard' is different to dropping the C bomb. A reasonable person will not be offended by bastard......but drop the C word and I can almost guarantee a whole lot of people will be offended.

(Australians need not apply).

I find that unreasonable.

The speech is fine so long as it doesn't come across as personal harassment. Excessive kicking from the channel could have been seen as harassment. If it didn't take the first one or two times, then black list and move on. You aren't a moderator strictly speaking. Your word doesn't define the rules of the channel. You aren't there to enforce the rules, especially not those that you came up with.

[Laerune]

I think when it comes to the Newcomer Network, the conversations should be held to only helping newcomers. I have nothing aganst profanities, but the Newcomer Network is a chatroom for newcomers, they go there to get answers to their questions and mentors go there to help the newcomers, atleast this was the orignal concept for the channel.

SE has decided that the Newcomer Network has become another chat channel, so I think OP should just blacklist and move on. As much as we disgree with how the Newcomer Network is used right now, aslong as SE is oke with how it is right now, nothing will change. Just dont bother OP, blacklist and move on.

The ToS are what Zarabeth quoted and here in germany ff14 is 12+. That means you have kids in the game and you have to behave yourself acordingly.

FFXIV should have the PEGI rating in Germany aswell and in Europe FFXIV has 16 years and older rating.

Still this does not stop kids from playing this game, but SE has intended for this game to be 16 years and older.