Isn't it about time for WHM to get an AOE mitigation tool?

[Cabalabob]

Sure as long as scholar can get a spell based non CD aoe regen like whm and ast

Oh, or a non CD spell base pure aoe heal, like whm and ast

Ooh ooh, or a ability that does both aoe healing and damage like whm and ast

You have a regen, it's called whispering dawn, you have a healing power tool it's called fey illumination. They may not be as effective as WHM or ASTs tools but you have them.

WHM can't say the same. It has no mitigation tools, nothing to compensate for the lack of a SCH or AST, if they just got stoneskin 2 back as an exclusive, usable in combat, party mitigation tool that would be enough. It wouldn't be as effective as having a SCH or AST but it would be something.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

You have a regen, it's called whispering dawn, you have a healing power tool it's called fey illumination. They may not be as effective as WHM or ASTs tools but you have them.

WHM can't say the same. It has no mitigation tools, nothing to compensate for the lack of a SCH or AST, if they just got stoneskin 2 back as an exclusive, usable in combat, party mitigation tool that would be enough. It wouldn't be as effective as having a SCH or AST but it would be something.

I can also use poor reading comprehension and respond to arguments not in your post to make you look bad as well.

No mitigation? Whm have Divine Benson. Sure it's not as effective as ast and sch tools but you do have it available to you.

[Semirhage]

I can also use poor reading comprehension and respond to arguments not in your post to make you look bad as well.

No mitigation? Whm have Divine Benson. Sure it's not as effective as ast and sch tools but you do have it available to you.

Sure, except Whispering Dawn and Emergency Succor are MORE powerful than their WHM counterparts on a cooldown, and Benison is LESS powerful than Scholar shields on a cooldown. We could play this snipe game all day.

[Kabooa]

Sure, except Whispering Dawn and Emergency Succor are MORE powerful than their WHM counterparts on a cooldown, and Benison is LESS powerful than Scholar shields on a cooldown. We could play this snipe game all day.

Wat.

Pretty sure Medica is exactly the same as emergency succor. Cure 3 is also more potent if you're stacked. Whispering dawn is 700 potency (Fairy potency) which is the equivalent of Medica 2. (200 + 50 / 30s)

[Erakir]

Wat.

Pretty sure Medica is exactly the same as emergency succor. Cure 3 is also more potent if you're stacked. Whispering dawn is 700 potency (Fairy potency) which is the equivalent of Medica 2. (200 + 50 / 30s)

Succor now being 150 heal / 225 shield translates into 375 healing on emergency tactics. ET doesn't duplicate the heal - it turns the galvanize effect into HP, so you still get the 225. Fairly certain I've seen this in the 24m roulettes recently when I've ET'd succors but my mind may be idiotic, too.

I also assume they're talking about it being common practice to couple rouse with WD? Possibly not, /shrug. But yeah, baseline WD total potency = M2 for sure. Fairy at that. 21s vs M2's 30s, and a smaller radius.

[Kabooa]

Succor now being 150 heal / 225 shield translates into 375 healing on emergency tactics. It doesn't duplicate the heal - it turns the galvanize effect into HP, so you still get the 225. Fairly certain I've seen this in the 24m roulettes recently when I've ET'd but my mind may be idiotic, too.

I also assume they're talking about it being common practice to couple rouse with WD? Possibly not, /shrug. But yeah, baseline WD total potency = M2 for sure. Fairy at that.

Patch notes, who knew. Learn something every day.

Though if they get to count abilities, then White mage should too. Plenary is +150!

[Ghishlain]

Resto 3.08 (Still in first tier of WotLK) was the most fun I've ever had with a healing class where everything felt cohesive and had good uses, when lifebloom was still stackable on multiple targets but only worth doing in certain fights (Patchwerk) and nourish being niche, low percentage of healing, but very welcome those times it DID come up. Rejuv go-to, Regrowth a heavy cost but very effective burst on the raid if given a few seconds to get going given its 65-70% crit chance and "Crit lowers cast time of next regrowth by 0.5s" - it just felt really, really fun to play.

As someone who got to heal a blueberry tanking Sarth in 3 Drake Sarth 10-m with DPS low enough that we saw enrage when people did not know it HAD an enrage....I also got to appreciate Nourish. I've never had to heal any single target so hard in my life as that warlock stamina-stacked pet.

Innervate was overpowered at the time but the way the spells were used then just felt so good to me. Alas, another era, another time~

I was to realize the intricacies and fluidity of the Druid HoT kit until I started to be a involved theorycraft junky in XIV. I miss those days, lol. It was fun being a Tree healing people all day everyday.

My group never could get past the High King Maulgar and the guild leader jumped ship to a "better raiding guild" so I didn't get to experience much back then outside of Karazhan :/ Ah well.

Still, just to reiterate, I would LOVE to see a HoT-style healer in XIV. I was hoping AST would be like that given it has a premise about controlling space and time. But alas, that wasn't the case ; ;

Sure, except Whispering Dawn and Emergency Succor are MORE powerful than their WHM counterparts on a cooldown, and Benison is LESS powerful than Scholar shields on a cooldown. We could play this snipe game all day.

Medica II vs Whispering Dawn

Medica II
200 potency initial
50 potency HoT @ 10 ticks
Total Potency = 700

Whispering Dawn
Approximately 67 potency HoT @ 7 Ticks
Total potency = 469


Largesse Medica II vs Roused Whispering Dawn

Medica II
240 potency initial
70 potency HoT @ 10 ticks
Total Potency = 940

Whispering Dawn
Approximately 94 potency HoT @ 7 Ticks
Total Potency = 658

Plenary Indulgence Medica vs Emergency Succor

Medica
300 potency initial
150 potency bonus from PI
Total Potency = 450

Succor
150 potency initial
225 potency bonus from ET
Total Potency = 375

Take what you will from the above number crunches~ Considering we're discussing CDs verus GCD heals or GCDs heals with some CDs but not others, anything can really be misconstrued to suit one's argument.

[NobleWinter]

Medica II vs Whispering Dawn

Medica II
200 potency initial
50 potency HoT @ 10 ticks
Total Potency = 700

Whispering Dawn
Approximately 67 potency HoT @ 7 Ticks
Total potency = 469


Largesse Medica II vs Roused Whispering Dawn

Medica II
240 potency initial
70 potency HoT @ 10 ticks
Total Potency = 940

Whispering Dawn
Approximately 94 potency HoT @ 7 Ticks
Total Potency = 658

Plenary Indulgence Medica vs Emergency Succor

Medica
300 potency initial
150 potency bonus from PI
Total Potency = 450

Succor
150 potency initial
225 potency bonus from ET
Total Potency = 375

Take what you will from the above number crunches~ Considering we're discussing CDs verus GCD heals or GCDs heals with some CDs but not others, anything can really be misconstrued to suit one's argument.

The difficulty in comparing SCH Skills to WHM Skills is that a SCH can use the increased healing bonus from Dissipation, Largesse, and Fey Illumination all at one time if they choose to. Technically a SCH has the possibilty to create the strongest raw healing of all three healers in brief bursts but this potential is locked behind Abilities that must be carefully guarded for emergencies. WHM can only use Largesse but obviously has more consistent options for layering on potent healing.

[Ghishlain]

The difficulty in comparing SCH Skills to WHM Skills is that a SCH can use the increased healing bonus from Dissipation, Largesse, and Fey Illumination all at one time if they choose to. Technically a SCH has the possibilty to create the strongest raw healing of all three healers in brief bursts but this potential is locked behind Abilities that must be carefully guarded for emergencies. WHM can only use Largesse but obviously has more consistent options for layering on potent healing.

Indeed. As I stated, it's pretty easy to misconstrued comparisons like this to suit one's argument in a way to try to pull their own job either in a negative or positive light. If everyone wanted the same tools, what is the point of making different jobs? They might as well make a single job with a single kit and call it a day at this point.

I personally think WHM is fine as it is right now. Pure and raw HPS and DPS and MP potential for maximum longevity means WHM can continue to hammer the arena with healing and DPS without skipping a beat. My comfort level and knowledge of the WHM kit means I know how to adapt and fix most situations to keep the party going and my contribution with my pDPS would exceed what I would most likely be able to add to the group via rDPS+pDPS on AST or SCH.

Would I like mitigation and/or raid DPS utility? I wouldn't balk at it but at the same time I don't want to create a situation where WHM can do everything perfectly either. At that point, that's overpowered.