So an FC on midgardsormer bought 60 plots...

[Vladmiere]

They could also fix the problem of the "same people getting houses" instead of adding RNG into the mix, but you know, that'd be logical.

I am glad you can finally agree with me on the issue but one point you have yet to acknowledge is the only way to deal with the same people is only through range. The entire system needs to change but it will not change. Limited resources the same people will get the resources or you use range. There is no other way unless SE itself wants to be the one who decides who gets what on a per basis approach. How can you not logically use range on a limited resource system?

[Vahlnir]

I am glad you can finally agree with me on the issue but one point you have yet to acknowledge is the only way to deal with the same people is only through range. The entire system needs to change but it will not change. Limited resources the same people will get the resources or you use range. There is no other way unless SE itself wants to be the one who decides who gets what on a per basis approach. How can you not logically use range on a limited resource system?

We aren't really agreeing on anything. You say that your approach changes it, but it really doesn't. But now you seem to agree, but are promoting a system that doesn't change much of anything. I'm confused. What needs to happen is that we either get A. Instanced housing, or B. A ward system that expands on its own. A lottery would just add another layer of RNG to the mix. The current "RNG" is how fast you get in and out of queue. More would be bad, really bad.

[Penthea]

That is based on perception and nothing more.

...I can't fathom why you think handing out plots to random people is better. At least right now players can take measures to increase their chances. They can camp the aetherytes, they can move to a lower populated server, they can collaborate with other players to have multiple people watching out for a plot, they can even engage in house flipping (it's a crappy option but it's still a valid option in the eyes of many). Lottery is entirely based on luck. I got my plot because I waited patiently to catch one that just finished the demolition timer. If we had lottery instead I probably wouldn't have my house and someone else who wouldn't have bothered to try to camp aetherytes might have it instead. With lottery no one can take any measures to increase their chances.

The current system sucks. But my goodness your version would be horrendous. Not only does it just simply change who has the plots, it would drive people to quit because they would see that system as completely hopeless. The horrid state of housing on the likes of Balmung is better than lottery.

[Okamimaru]

There is only ONE solution to make everyone happy... large flowerpots that allows for crossbreeding and public workshops/airship docks... housing isn't a real problem except they locked this content behind it...

[Vladmiere]

That would be the case if the measures were legal. There are means to jump the queue and be at the beginning to log on via third-party methods. My solution is the easiest way for SE to implement a system that is the fair. If the 80% of people who never had a house has planned to quit they would have by now. The housing system, for the most part, is not affecting the subs for FF 14 but right now the system is already hopeless. People who flip houses are making a mint with a profit of 10x or more from what they invested (not counting time). And I suspect a number of black market houses are professionally gobbled up by real-life rmt companies that invest in software/exploits/teleport hacks in order to grab the majority of the plots.

And the lottery is just a means to an end. My original concept I posted a year or two back did involve having people who own houses pay taxes like the Market Board deals with and a more aggressive plot reclamation system in place. There is no telling how many houses that could be freed up for people that play the game regularly.

[LadyKairi]

Same access is not an accurate statement. It's not like housing was open for weeks and plots sat there. I woke up at 1:45 am (release was 2:00 am) just to download the patch but encountered Launcher errors,

See I think that was your first problem. You should patch WELL in advance (the first moment you can even start patching). 15 minutes is too last minute, and it doesn't give you time in case issues happen. 15 minutes before servers coming up is when a LOT of people are gonna be camping the launcher, so issues will happen. I patched in advance, and I only had a couple hiccups just trying to log in.

[Penthea]

That would be the case if the measures were legal.

Are you trying to tell me camping the aetheryte, teaming up with other players to find a plot and changing server are not legal measures? Seriously?

[Vladmiere]

Are you trying to tell me camping the aetheryte, teaming up with other players to find a plot and changing server are not legal measures? Seriously?

In order to understand the first sentence, you must take in the paragraph as a whole. That is why quoting people with just a small fragment of the entire post can be taken out of context.

[Penthea]

In order to understand the first sentence, you must take in the paragraph as a whole. That is why quoting people with just a small fragment of the entire post can be taken out of context.

You said that would be the case if the measures were legal. All but one I listed are. So either you are very unfamiliar as to what housing activities are against the terms of use, or you're doing the cherry picking you just accused me of doing.

[Mild_insanity]

Waiting for this. Otherwise this is highly unlikely. We had 5 people from the same FC trying to login at the same time. 1 of us got in. Let alone what it would take for all 60 to be able to run to houses and purchase them without issue.

So this thread is highly exaggerated. I took the time to check. There is no ward that's owned by 1 FC, not even one subdivision completely owned by one FC.

The OP is probably upset that he couldn't get a house because the volume of people who tried logging in. I got a ward 1 subdivision small plot, and I was #750 in queue which took close to 3 minutes to get in (plus massive lag in that ward.) Even after I grabbed it, there were several open plots around mine for a little while.