So an FC on midgardsormer bought 60 plots...

[Apricoth]

I'm just trying to fathom how 60 people (or up to half that if they all bought personal fc houses too) managed to get through queue and take over a ward and subdivision before anyone else got there. I can see maybe a handful of houses, but the entire same ward/subdivision sounds fishy.

This is a valid question. I am curious about that myself.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm just trying to fathom how 60 people (or up to half that if they all bought personal fc houses too) managed to get through queue and take over a ward and subdivision before anyone else got there. I can see maybe a handful of houses, but the entire same ward/subdivision sounds fishy.

Same here, to be frank. That seems astounding. Not only the coordination, but the sheer luck that 60 people managed to get online and get plots with probably little to no issues (like unresponsive launchers or lobby server errors). Is it a particular large/well-known FC that basically said “Ward # belongs to us; don’t touch it, or else”? O.o

That being said, if they’re buying the individual houses as individual players and not reselling them to amass a profit, well, such is allowed. Does it suck for other FCs that would like a housing plot? Absolutely. But it is still allowed; all it really highlights is just how flawed the housing system is.

I don’t think housing should be FC only. Some people don’t want to be in an FC. Why should they be barred access to things like personal housing (no, apartments are not an adequate substitute in their current state—they are little more than FC rooms without added FC housing perks...and more expensive)?

There is a way to come to a compromise with “instanced housing” and “FC only housing”. What could be done is: take the 12 wards already active, turn them into FC wards, or FC “communities”, and create a 13th Ward that contains unlimited instanced housing. It would look just like any other ward, with nice houses, summoning bells, market boards, and tastefully decorated yards in each plot, and players could go up to a placard and purchase/browse houses a la Apartment/FC room style. Yards could be instanced, so players could choose to decorate them if they so chose, as well as be able to participate in gardening; and the interior of the houses would be just like the FC houses in terms of appearance and customization. 720 plots per server for FCs, and unlimited instanced housing for individuals.

Those who already own personal houses would have their houses and yards transferred to the 13th ward in the same plot they previously owned—so, a small in Ward 3, Plot 14 would be transferred to Instanced Ward 13, Plot 14, and could be found via an apartment/FC room-esque list.

That’s just a compromise I think would work. Like I said, I’m not really for limiting housing to just one group or the other (FC versus personal). I think the housing system needs a lot of work, and SE needs to come to realize this, and how much importance a significant portion of the playerbase puts on housing. It needs to be fixed before the next housing ward is released (Ishgard, mayhaps?—whenever that would be), so there isn’t a repeat of this. Especially if the active playerbase grows between Stormblood and 5.0. Otherwise, this entire scenario will only repeat itself. It’s like that saying: those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

anyone knows how long days Auto-Demolishing without build house? I can see the empty plot without build house >_>

Auto-demolition happens after 45 days. If there is no house built on the plot within 45 days, it will be relinquished. For houses already built, owners (or FC members for FC houses) have to enter the estate to reset the demolition timer (which is still 45 days). However, demolition is currently suspended due to natural disasters in the US. I don’t think they’ve reinstated it yet; initially I thought they said it would only last 2 weeks or so, but there hasn’t been any mention of the auto-demolition timer being reinstated (that I’m aware of).

[Ramiren]

The simple solution for this would be to give apartments the same functionality as a house.

I mean it's not a perfect solution since people already spent additional money on housing specifically for those benefits, but realistically housing should have been instanced rather than in plots right from the get go. What's the point of having players save up millions of gil over what may have been an extremely long period of time, only to have them unable to buy a house due to some arbitrary cap and minutes difference in time taken to log in.

[ArchangelSavior]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ill-more-Wards I did made this one month ago I knew it this is happened

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tanced-housing Please sign up!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...se-Wards-House they moved to dead server left behind me sigh!.... how stressful and upset! but I don't want to move, Levi server is better

anyone knows how long days Auto-Demolishing without build house? I can see the empty plot without build house >_>

[TitaniaYaerem]

Even if they did take the entire ward(which sounds almost impossible) they had just as much right to a house as anyone else. I do somewhat agree to an extent about FCs having an easier acces to housing(I really feel there should be some FC ONLY wards). I think also if they did have FC only wards then if you wanted a large FC house you had to have at least 100 members to be eligible to buy the, at least 50 members for a medium, and any number for a small or something to that effect so that this would combat people who would try to buy or level an FC on an alt and then try and buy out a mansion. But so long as wards are open to all then yea that FC had the right to buy out those plots. Yes their FC has a house and it may be a house they can recall to but at the same time, it's not their actual house, if a communal company house. My FC had a mansion but I wanted my own place, same as several other members in our FC who wanted their own place to call home.

[PrincessMarbleSays]

This post was for the devs to see and ponder on the whole situation of housing and to question THEIR housing methods. This post is NOT for people to assume anyone is even remotely talking about FC’s being the problem or their abilities to do/not do anything. This post is NOT A DEBATE. THIS POST IS NOT ABOUT THE FC, it’s to bring ATTENTION to clear design flaws. I ADDED IN, MY OWN OPINIONS, on different little topics aside from the main one like quirks on the housing system itself. So look and READ THE POSTS ORIGINAL TOPIC, before arguing with each other over Rights and what FCs can and can’t do. It’s NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH FCs ability to exploit game flaws. Stick to the main topic, housing system needs an update.

[Mild_insanity]

Which FC/ward?

[Krotoan]

Which FC/ward?

Waiting for this. Otherwise this is highly unlikely. We had 5 people from the same FC trying to login at the same time. 1 of us got in. Let alone what it would take for all 60 to be able to run to houses and purchase them without issue.

[Mild_insanity]

Waiting for this. Otherwise this is highly unlikely. We had 5 people from the same FC trying to login at the same time. 1 of us got in. Let alone what it would take for all 60 to be able to run to houses and purchase them without issue.

So this thread is highly exaggerated. I took the time to check. There is no ward that's owned by 1 FC, not even one subdivision completely owned by one FC.

The OP is probably upset that he couldn't get a house because the volume of people who tried logging in. I got a ward 1 subdivision small plot, and I was #750 in queue which took close to 3 minutes to get in (plus massive lag in that ward.) Even after I grabbed it, there were several open plots around mine for a little while.

[Endeleon]

Wait are you guys seriously complaining that a FC, each their own person, got their own houses? How is that wrong?? It's not like they'd have been able to do that if it was all alt characters. You guys are such whiny manbabies.