So an FC on midgardsormer bought 60 plots...

[Amomomo]

You should patch WELL in advance...

Many people did, even planned out routes and everything. Not only did login clients crash unexpectedly, pushing players out of the queue, there were other technical issues such as unable to transfer house, loading screen lag, as well as claims of "bots" seemingly teleport to plots and buying them up.

People who have won in this savage 4.1 war can discourage "salty" losers all they want while disregarding the various underlying issues of the existing housing system.

Are you trying to tell me camping the aetheryte, teaming up with other players to find a plot and changing server are not legal measures? Seriously?

Not sure where the previous discussion was about, but "illegal" measures may pertain to the current craze of plot buying and reselling, as well as shell alts and FCs buying up the plots (either for personal trophy decoration or flipping).

Technically, owning multiple plots isn't again T&Cs at all. Neither are players scavenging through PF, housing subreddit and whatever means to secure housing at outrageous prices (plot trading outside the game is ok apparently), while lining the pockets of flippers and RMT traders.

Yet it doesn't mean that it is okay. Not only it is morally wrong, but turns the my stomach to simply watch and be part of majority of the player base to simply miss out due to whatever reasons despite efficient preparation and eager anticipation to be part of a well promoted aspect of 4.1 patch.

I personally consider those who successfully attained a plot (especially on high population servers) are privileged, and extremely, extremely, lucky - such is the original intention of the current housing system unfortunately.

[Penthea]

Not sure where the previous discussion was about, but "illegal" measures may pertain to the current craze of plot buying and reselling, as well as shell alts and FCs buying up the plots (either for personal trophy decoration or flipping).

Another player thinks lottery is the fairest way to divvy out plots. I said that would seem like a hopeless situation for so many players because it's 100% rng. Though odds suck right now players can take various measures to increase their chances such as camping aetherytes, teaming up with other players to find a plot, changing server and house flipping. That player responded with "That would be the case if the measures were legal" seeming to either be woefully uneducated about what counts as against the terms of use or conveniently ignoring legal (and perfectly fair) measures that prove his lottery system would be worse than what we have now.

Lottery just gives everyone an equally s****y chance of getting a plot, and well what happens when they're all taken? You get put into a queue?

No thanks. We need a real fix, not new ways to test the patience of players.

[Amomomo]

No thanks. We need a real fix, not new ways to test the patience of players.

I agree with you that we really do need a real fix, instead of simply wait on a few newly added wards. I dislike the idea of lottery too - imagine having valuable contents such as housing and FC airship lock behind weekly Gold Saucer Cactpot - disastrous.

There are good and some not so feasible ideas proposed by players throughout this official housing forums, the FFXIV subreddits, and other online forums. I hope that SE will make the right decision in coming up with a feasible long term fix for the housing issue.

[Penthea]

There are good and some not so feasible ideas proposed by players throughout this official housing forums, the FFXIV subreddits, and other online forums. I hope that SE will make the right decision in coming up with a feasible long term fix for the housing issue.

One of the better ones going around right now is to limit housing ownership to one personal and one fc (per server or per account) and grant all characters on the same server as the personal house to have access to it. That still isn't a fix but it would really go a long way to freeing up plots owned by a single account's multiple characters and shell fcs in a single server. Which I'm lead to believe is a real issue on some servers.

Some players think it should be limited to only one house regardless of whether it's personal or not. I disagree with this because typically a few senior fc members have control over a fc house. The fc master would be stuck with only the fc house while the other senior members would have both the fc house and a personal house to use. Not only is the fc master being unfairly punished, I can see this causing unrest in some fcs making fc masters want to step down or want to be the only one to have full decorative control over the fc house.

[programcanaan]

Housing has been ruined since single ownership was allowed. There's only 2880 plots on every server after all. But so many people want solo houses... Instanced housing really needs to be added.

[BluexBird]

They should have both the current housing system as is, with the potential of adding new wards, AND instanced housing alongside it. That way, if you aren't able to get an actual housing, you can have an instanced one.

Similar to the way they have apartments, perhaps they could have somewhat of a "condo" system. So you'd walk up to a sort of gate, speak to an NPC, and you'd get transported to an instance with your house and stuff in it.

[Vladmiere]

Another player thinks lottery is the fairest way to divvy out plots. I said that would seem like a hopeless situation for so many players because it's 100% rng. Though odds suck right now players can take various measures to increase their chances such as camping aetherytes, teaming up with other players to find a plot, changing server and house flipping. That player responded with "That would be the case if the measures were legal" seeming to either be woefully uneducated about what counts as against the terms of use or conveniently ignoring legal (and perfectly fair) measures that prove his lottery system would be worse than what we have now.

Lottery just gives everyone an equally s****y chance of getting a plot, and well what happens when they're all taken? You get put into a queue?

No thanks. We need a real fix, not new ways to test the patience of players.

I do not understand why you think to be able to use hacks is legal. If a person is able to somehow brute their way into the game, teleport around to buy up plots then yes they need to be banned. This is illegal and was a main method used to buy up lots of plots to sell illegally on websites that deal with virtual property. Just a quick google will show all the wonderful housing for sale that you deem is legal.

[Vladmiere]

You said that would be the case if the measures were legal. All but one I listed are. So either you are very unfamiliar as to what housing activities are against the terms of use, or you're doing the cherry picking you just accused me of doing.

No. I said that would be the case if measures were legal. There is the third party means to log in almost immediately via a hack that may or may not has been patched. That is what I said. The details of the hack are being passed around now as semi-public knowledge on certain websites where alot of this illegal crap is happening. If SE wants to deal with the cheaters then you would see this current ward system a bit more viable but as of right now it is a system ripe to be exploited. And I have not even discussed all the teleport hacking that was going on. I saw it first hand people will scout out what they want to buy and the instant the servers come up the moment they log on they will teleport to these spots within the second they enter the ward and buy them up. You do not necessarily have to be after a house and if you are online during the rush you could see it just standing at a ward entrance seeing people vanish the moment they enter the ward.

[Penthea]

I do not understand why you think to be able to use hacks is legal.

I didn't mention a single hack aside from house flipping (which technically isn't a hack) which I know is against the terms of use. Really, are you just unable to read?

[Okamimaru]

These threads need less salt and more cowbell