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    ThirdChild_ZKI's Avatar
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    Lace Valeria
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    I'm not disagreeing with your idea, I'm simply saying damage isn't always relative to your efficacy in a battle.

    Someone once tried to use that against me, citing a Diamond player (Feast rank isn't much of a meter of ability, honestly) playing BRD - a job they don't normally play - vs my MCH, back in 3.x PvP. Though their numbers were very close to mine, I was the one with 10 kills to their 0. Sure, as a personal measure ofwhat you do/how well you do it, it might be nice, but the overall total is shown at the end of matches, as has been stated.

    As a possible extreme, the last thing I'd want is a teammate taking an unnecessary risk in a close match simply out of trying to push their numbers. But again, that's an extreme case, though all too possible.
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    The total numbers every match may (or not) give you a hint as to why you lost or won, but a striking dps dummy with a meter in WD would serve another purpose. A diamond player isn't necessarily very good, but getting this far sure gives them experience and a bit of understanding of the pvp. Saying a diamond rank means nothing you know well isn't true...any diamond player knows the game is about bursts and CC, and knows the importance of the wolf's heart, but let me tell you something, applying constant high damage pressure on a target sure helps, if you hit like a wet noodle for 95% of the fight and your bursts fail to kill anyone for whatever reason you are just as bad.

    I know BLM must have a higher sustained than say brd for example, but I'm curious as to what this damage difference is, I don't see a single valid reason as to why players in pvp shouldn't be allowed to compare their numbers now that pvp and pve skills are no longer the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    I'm simply saying damage isn't always relative to your efficacy in a battle.
    Totally agree with this, but at the same time I don't see the above statement as a valid reason for not having some sort of damage meter in the wolves den area.
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    Last edited by Gallus; 10-14-2017 at 04:42 AM.

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    TiaHariberu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    A diamond player isn't necessarily very good, but getting this far sure gives them experience and a bit of understanding of the pvp. Saying a diamond rank means nothing you know well isn't true...any diamond player knows the game is about bursts and CC, and knows the importance of the wolf's heart, but let me tell you something, applying constant high damage pressure on a target
    Diamond/top100 means nothing since season 5 most ppl would be season 1 bronze/silver (including u from what Ive seen ingame). Dont think just because u got a rank it makes u a good player especially in s5 I saw u play and there were such big mistakes from u. Your arguments wont have more weight than others especially compared to other ppl posting here who are well known players. Hard to break it to u but ranks/tiers mean atm n o t h i n g. There is not a single point which would make a dps meter in pvp useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberu View Post
    Diamond/top100 means nothing since season 5 most ppl would be season 1 bronze/silver (including u from what Ive seen ingame).
    Empty words, assume as much as you want. Truth is I was not bronze or silver on other seasons because I did not even play one PVP game up until S5. Just thought every person in this board would assume any dia player (even more mediocre ones) would have the "the game is around bursts and CC" well learnt.
    Of course I make mistakes, I've been learning pvp throughout this S5 as I was a new into all this. But after hundreds of games played, and after a lot of tries trying a lot of jobs and trying to figure out which what job I contribute more, I chose DRK as my main. And I still try to improve.
    Out of curiosity but what sort of stuff do I make that'd make me a bronze player on other seasons? Because I see myself in every game averaging 200k+, keeping TBN with a 100% uptime (to anyone who is lower than 80-60% hp), saving double bloodspiller when I see somebody on roughly 40% hp, chasing the healer like a madman with sprint and CC chaining them whenever the focus target is low or for example getting lbed, I spam the wolf's heart macro 3 or 4 times 10 seconds before the wolf's heart pops up which is at 4:00, I save double Bloodspiller for the wolf's heart too, I save my LB for crucial culling time phases (especially near the ending of the match which is where many times games are decided). I go all aggro on the enemy when we are behind (mainly nagging their healer) and I completely turtle if we are ahead (permanently on their DPS while I stun them and ummend their caster if they have one). What is it that I should be doing that I don't do?
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    Last edited by Gallus; 10-14-2017 at 07:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    Out of curiosity but what sort of stuff do I make that'd make me a bronze player on other seasons?
    Literally everything your switches, that u are on heal most of the time, your cc timing etc. I even rewatched a game against u to check what u do so yeah. I didnt called u s1 bronze I said if u played in s1 you would be bronze there is a difference you just started so its hard to understand for u but pvp used to be alot better (more depth, higher skill ceiling, more rating gain/loss, more skills) etc. now it's just meh so rankings dont have any real value most of the time.
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  6. 10-14-2017 04:41 AM