So an FC on midgardsormer bought 60 plots...

[Chevronone]

What's the difference between players who happen to be in the same FC owning individual houses in a ward vs random people owning individual houses in a ward? Are you trying to tell me that simply being associated with an FC should preclude you from owning personal housing? Now I've heard it all...

[PrincessMarbleSays]

There is a flaw in every idea, that’s what this is here for, to bring to light all the flaws and come to unanimous conclusions which seem to be that FC houses should be separate to personal, aside from my original OPINION, which was that non-FC players be given apartment options only, clearly not the best idea here but again, the posts correcting that statement give light to other options. No ones saying people shouldn’t have personal spaces, just a different way of doing them and more quantity of said spaces.

[whiskeybravo]

What's the difference between players who happen to be in the same FC owning individual houses in a ward vs random people owning individual houses in a ward? Are you trying to tell me that simply being associated with an FC should preclude you from owning personal housing? Now I've heard it all...

The issue is not ownership, it's availability. Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I do not personally GAF about housing. I bought a room in the FC (twice) that I never use. We have a mansion I'm never at. I do not participate in FC crafting or anything. It's there for people that want it and that's fine with me. I'll help if someone needs help but it's not my thing. I don't care.

That doesn't mean I can't look at a problem and speculate about what makes it worse/what can make it better. So, I stand by my position that new housing wards should be prioritized so that FC's have the first shot at them. FC housing is simply more important than individual housing. Once the dust settles, they can expand the server space or open up new wards, whatever, to accommodate for personal housing. Even something as sensible as "Wards 1-6 for FC, wards 7-12 for personal" would've been better than this mess.

This is not at all what it appeared as though you were saying.

I mean..

There should've been FC housing first, then personal housing added later like the other residential districts.

They shouldn't be fighting for the same plots, no.

Then you pulled this out of thin air:

Seems to me that this boils down to "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!"

When I didn't say anything at all about whether I got a plot or didn't.

I get it, people are tired of looking at the same scenery they've been looking at for 3 years. People want to live in the shiny new houses instead of the old run-down ones. People want to live next to the beach instead of in a forest or desert. That's all understandable. The Devs should've taken this into consideration and worked to mitigate as much as they could. Maybe they did and it could've been worse. Or maybe they saw the potential problem and just said "Eff it". Who knows. People are going to do whatever is in their power to do, so I'm not necessarily blaming them, I'm squarely blaming the devs for *seemingly* not giving a shit lol

[Llus]

The issue is not ownership, it's availability. Let me make one thing perfectly clear, I do not personally GAF about housing. I bought a room in the FC (twice) that I never use. We have a mansion I'm never at. I do not participate in FC crafting or anything. It's there for people that want it and that's fine with me. I'll help if someone needs help but it's not my thing. I don't care.

That doesn't mean I can't look at a problem and speculate about what makes it worse/what can make it better. So, I stand by my position that new housing wards should be prioritized so that FC's have the first shot at them. FC housing is simply more important than individual housing. Once the dust settles, they can expand the server space or open up new wards, whatever, to accommodate for personal housing. Even something as sensible as "Wards 1-6 for FC, wards 7-12 for personal" would've been better than this mess.

First, the quote about "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!" was aimed at this thread and others like it. Many many people complaining about other people getting plots and reselling them, entire wards filled with private ownership etc, then this one came out and this jewel of a comment:

If this is true (can't log in myself right now to confirm or not,) that is absolutely outrageous. This is the kind of d*ck behavior that makes the entire housing mess so much worse. But while you (the OP) are very understandably upset, limiting plots to FCs only would not solve this issue, only increase the number of one-member shell FCs who buy plots for individual players. SE must revamp or expand the housing system if there is going to be any end to the shortages or the horrible behavior that stems from it.

I had hoped that apartments would be the precursor to actual, viable instanced housing, but the more time that passes with SE not building upon that foundation, the dimmer that possibility seems.

D*ck behavior and outrageous. Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to. Doesn't matter if they're all from the same FC. Doesn't matter what their motives for buying were. To several people in this thread the fact that they BOUGHT the plots is D*ck behavior and outrageous. In the end, this thread isn't about addressing the problems with the housing situation. There are MANY other threads that are doing that. But this kind of salty click-bait thread won't help the situation any more than putting an arbitrary restriction on who can purchase houses. My 1st and 2nd house purchase 2 years ago was done through a solo FC I created, I watched the housing districts looking for plots opening up and bought a medium; then when a large popped up I dropped my med and got a lg. Eventually ended up giving away the LG to a newbie crafter and deleting my characters. It took less than a week to get a solo FC to rank 6; so FC restrictions really won't help especially with scalpers. It will lower the number of people going for a house, but not so much that hundreds of people won't still miss out on an FC house and then when private sales go up, the demand would be even larger for the even more limited resources.

[Wintersandman]

Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to.

Same access is not an accurate statement. It's not like housing was open for weeks and plots sat there. I woke up at 1:45 am (release was 2:00 am) just to download the patch but encountered Launcher errors, then had to wait for patch download, and then had to wait for 1025 people to get through the queue. I was logged in by 2:15 am and everything was gone. People were lucky to not have errors, be at a reasonable time zone of release and lucky to sit there and get it. That is not equal access and boils down to a lot of factors that are disadvantageous to other players.

[Rymm]

First, the quote about "I didn't get a plot, it's not fair that THEY did!" was aimed at this thread and others like it. Many many people complaining about other people getting plots and reselling them, entire wards filled with private ownership etc, then this one came out

First, not only did I own a home before this patch, but I was one of the lucky few able to relocate it when the servers came up this morning. So it's not 'salt' about not being able to get a plot but rather, as anyone familiar with my posts in this sub-forum could tell you, my continuing frustration with the individuals or groups of people who flip houses for profit or hoard multiples when while others go entirely without.

D*ck behavior and outrageous. Because these people bought plots that everyone else had the same access to. Doesn't matter if they're all from the same FC. Doesn't matter what their motives for buying were. To several people in this thread the fact that they BOUGHT the plots is D*ck behavior and outrageous. In the end, this thread isn't about addressing the problems with the housing situation. There are MANY other threads that are doing that. But this kind of salty click-bait thread won't help the situation any more than putting an arbitrary restriction on who can purchase houses.

It seems we are both doing quite a bit of assuming here, and I apologize for my part in it. Although I did preface my post with 'if it's true,' I should have stipulated the specific conditions I was referring to.

When the OP posted that an FC was buying up an entire ward I assumed it was an FC who, working as a coordinated group and through the use of multiple alts and shell FCs, was buying up all of the plots to hoard control of a district under the single banner of their FC either for the prestige/ego-stroke of doing so or to resell later. If they are merely individual players buying up homes near their FC base, then my comment is not applicable, as they certainly did nothing selfish or unsavory.

So, shame on me for not checking for myself before posting (as I would have done had I access to my gaming PC earlier today) or asking for the OP to clarify the situation. Shame on you for assuming I was just angry because I didn't get a plot and was lashing out at individuals lucky enough to do so.