4.1 - The emptiest patch yet.

[Zojha]

(Actually considering Diadem flopped twice they might just try again anyway)

I'm inclined to consider Ultimate the second try already actually, with Second Coil Savage being the first. Maybe the third if you want to consider Gordias.

For me, it's simple: If they used resources proportionately, then the resources weren't wasted. If you have 1% of hardcores, putting 1% of your resources towards hardcore content seems fine. At 3% resources, I'd start calling waste of resources, it's 3 times as much as they'd deserve. The hard part is judging just how much effort went into it and how big the audience is - You usually rely on experience there and for new content like Lord of Verminion, there was no data. Potentially wasting resources there can't be helped, it only can if you have some data on who might play that content.

[Vaer]

I'm inclined to consider Ultimate the second try already actually, with Second Coil Savage being the first. Maybe the third if you want to consider Gordias.

Eh nah. Gordias wasn't a complete waste, some of the resources went to everyone (actually it was the first version of a Normal raid ever).

Second Coil S had a problem, which was it had bad rewards really, titles. People didn't bother because of this due to the difficulty.

This time it has exclusive weapons with 3 materia slots. It might be their second attempt, but AFAIK it's only one fight, and not 4 different fights like Second Coil had. I mean eventually it might even go unsync, and with echo/nerfs/ilvl-enabled faceroll anyone can attempt it.

Personally for me, I think the clear rate is going to be insanely low (which they probably expect), but they did say they wanted feedback which means I think they are going to continue to do it.

So for the majority what we have is a missing dungeon and the same 24 man that was already coming anyway, and the same ex primal that was already coming anyway. Housing I mean yea so exciting I guess mention before I have a house to but a building is not content. So its not so much this raid its more so is where is that extra content for the dungeon we lost for the normal player not a few thousand

For the record I think cutting dungeons is a bad idea. I already thought this when it from 3 to 2 in HW. But I think they took the feedback of (omg this game is just cap tomes with dungeons every week) to heart and wanted to diverge (PoTD, Diadem rework) were attempts at this. Other ways to get the tomes and mostly casual content. Eureka might be their attempt at "fixing" the relic quest. I'm assuming the job armor will be upgraded there as well.

This patch is also coming after they churned out an entire expansion in like 6 months. A certain other game has had 1 year content droughts between expansions more than once. Usually after an expansion the first patch is usually sparse or is delayed. I believe Eureka was originally scheduled for 4.15 with the relic but they couldn't get it done in time I suppose.

[bswpayton]

I'm inclined to consider Ultimate the second try already actually, with Second Coil Savage being the first. Maybe the third if you want to consider Gordias.

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its easy you look at the clears of v3s and above far more players have cleared 1 and 2 than 3 and up. Neo ex death being maybe about 7 thousand players on a heavily played job, so youd have to even cut this number down some. Because its suppose to be way harder than even neo exdeath, so we could be talkin about 5 thousand players in reality. And lets say some players are really good clear it in the first week , this content will sit there just like all the other raids like coil and alex going untouched. This content in reality isnt even gona last a whole months time for the majority of people who participate.