Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Lucke]

Edit your post to avoid spamming the forums.

[Kabzy]

The thought is too complex to cut down below the 1k char limit =/

They mean that you can bypass the 1k limit by editing your post, rather than spreading it out over multiple posts.

Staying on topic though my only contribution is that we lost Cleric Stance due to casuals complaining, and the majority still can't handle doing anything other than spamming Cure on a tank at 95% health. It's rubbing salt into the wounds at this point. Even Sylphie got good in the end.

[MoroMurasaki]

Even Sylphie got good in the end.

I could pick through the 5 or so pages of this thread that have popped up since I've been here but I feel like just quoting this responds to all of it pretty brilliantly.

Thank you sir/ma'am, you've saved me half an hour and 5k characters worth of typing. You would have more than one upvote if it was up to me.

[Almagnus1]

I'll keep that in mind about posts in the future.

Staying on topic though my only contribution is that we lost Cleric Stance due to casuals complaining, and the majority still can't handle doing anything other than spamming Cure on a tank at 95% health.

Throwing Cure 1 on a tank isn't necessarily a bad thing because of Cure 1 => Divine Benison

But then, that also assumes that there WHM isn't just going to sit there while Divine Benison absorbs damage....

I could pick through the 5 or so pages of this thread that have popped up since I've been here but I feel like just quoting this responds to all of it pretty brilliantly.

Thank you sir/ma'am, you've saved me half an hour and 5k characters worth of typing. You would have more than one upvote if it was up to me.

IMO, anyone that's citing Sylphie (of all characters) about whether or not WHMs should DPS is missing the point that her arc in ARR was about not letting pride in raw talent destroy you. Having her acknowledge and then adhere to the Conjurer's Guild rules was a huge turning point because it showed she was better understanding exactly how her powers worked, so instead of literally killing herself, she was pulling from the PROPER source.

To say it was about healers DPSing of all things really sells the entire quest line short.

[magnanimousCynic]

Throwing Cure 1 on a tank isn't necessarily a bad thing because of Cure 1 => Divine Benison

You're misinterpreting what Kazy is trying to say. Pre-SB Cleric Stance scared away healers from DPS because it crippled your healing. If you used it at the wrong time you were locked out of doing any effective healing until you could remove 5 seconds later. And those 5 seconds could be extremely punishing if you accidentally pressed it during parts of a fight that needed large healing output. In order to successfully used CS back then you had to memorize the fight to know when and where damage is coming out.

Since Stormblood revamped healer DPS, making it scale off of MND and making CS a minor damage cooldown, you no longer have to sacrifice healing to contribute DPS. You just need to know if you can spare the mana and if anyone needs a heal in the next GCD. If everyone's HP is good then use a DPS spell. If not then heal them.

[Almagnus1]

You're misinterpreting what Kazy is trying to say.

Not really, as it depends on what the person complaining about the spamming is actually seeing, vs what the WHM is doing, as I'm going to do that Cure 1 cast at least once every 30s (if not more frequently depending on how much damage the tank is taking), which can look like spamming but there's a very valid reason why I'm making such a poor Cure 1 cast - because it uses only 600 mana to generate a lily to use with Divine Benison.

That behavior can look like spamming Cure 1 when the tank really doesn't need it, especially since we (rightfully so) took a big steaming dump on the lily and confession mechanics at SB launch so they prolly aren't as well understood as they should be.

And those 5 seconds could be extremely punishing if you accidentally pressed it during parts of a fight that needed large healing output.

If you only knew how many people I killed because I screwed up stance dancing......

[Taika]

I'm going to do that Cure 1 cast at least once every 30s (if not more frequently depending on how much damage the tank is taking), which can look like spamming but there's a very valid reason why I'm making such a poor Cure 1 cast - because it uses only 600 mana to generate a lily to use with Divine Benison.

What content are you talking about here? In stuff like Expert dungeons, I don't cast a single Cure 1 normally during pulls, only maybe when last monster is dying to top up tank for next pull (and get a chance for that Benison to shield the tank for the next pull) if Cure II would be excessive. On WHM, most of your healing should always come from passive and instant heals (Regen, Tetra, Bene, Asylum, Assize). If you need to cast Cure, then Cure II is your choice.

Edit: In the post you were originally answering to, they were using "spamming Cure I" in a bit different context than you are, though. They were talking about healers who "contribute" by performing useless actions (spamming heals when no healing is required) instead of doing something useful (you should not be healing the tank in the first place if they're at 95% unless there's a specific mechanic which requires just that like White Hole in OS4). It's still better than doing nothing at all (which also is an acceptable level of contribution according to some), but it's far from what you should be doing when playing a healer (and not even talking about optimisation here).

[Seoulstar]

[Citation Needed]

Nobody knows what the "majority" thinks.

So now it's no one knows what the majority thinks despite the fact that someone basically said that the majority in PF and DF believes that a healer should dps and that was liked multiple times? Now it's contradicting because suddenly when we see that it's not seen often that people complain, now it's nobody knows what the majority thinks.

[Almagnus1]

What content are you talking about here? In stuff like Expert dungeons, I don't cast a single Cure 1 normally during pulls, only maybe when last monster is dying to top up tank for next pull (and get a chance for that Benison to shield the tank for the next pull) if Cure II would be excessive. On WHM, most of your healing should always come from passive and instant heals (Regen, Tetra, Bene, Asylum, Assize). If you need to cast Cure, then Cure II is your choice.

Let me ask you this: What benefit is there for a WHM to be applying a shield to the tank that will absorb up to 15% of the Tanks HP until it falls off at least once every 30 seconds, if not sooner?

Sometimes ya need a lily, and Cure 1 at 600 mana is the cheapest (and fastest) way to do it.

[Taika]

Let me ask you this: What benefit is there for a WHM to be applying a shield to the tank that will absorb up to 15% of the Tanks HP until it falls off at least once every 30 seconds, if not sooner?

Depends on content? For extremes and Savage, I could see it being useful for some tank busters etc. (although I do not really play WHM in those). For expert dungeons during pulls, your resources are better used on other things (that said, if you need to cast that Cure II or Cure I, then by all means shield the tank - at least if you only have 1).

Sometimes ya need a lily, and Cure 1 at 600 mana is the cheapest (and fastest) way to do it.

Let me ask you this: in what situation do you need a lily, that could not be better handled otherwise?