Dear Healers who don't DPS

[Tridus]

It's not the majority that has a problem with this.

[Citation Needed]

Nobody knows what the "majority" thinks. The majority aren't here. Nobody has met enough of them to do an accurate survey. And basing it on "well I haven't seen anyone complain in DF" is just silly. I haven't seen anyone complain when some fool thinks Pyretic on O4N means "DPS more" either. That doesn't mean people are okay with it. I'm usually too busy to type something out trying to keep that guy alive.

If I just carry him (and the guy who thinks that standing still for both Void Blizzard and Void Thunder is a great idea), we get the clear and I move on. If I start an argument, I get... an argument. Possibly someone being booted (who might be me, who knows how DF groups will react), and it just takes longer to get the clear. That does not mean I think these people are just swell and its cool, despite the fact that "stand in all the stuff and keep DPSing" is actually a viable way for a SAM to clear that fight.

All it means is that it's easier to carry them than it is to argue with them.

This is the same thing. You can do something to help the group. You're actively refusing to, choosing to do nothing instead. Silence from the rest of the party does not imply consent, because nobody but them knows if it's consent or if its "ugh, why is this person not doing anything?" on Discord.

And it's not surprising considering it's just DF, as to why people would go into that with high expectations is beyond me.

How is "not stand around for 80% of the fight eating popcorn" a high expectation? That's below minimum for the other roles. It's below minimum according to SE, as the Hall of the Novice explicitly tells newbies.

You don't know what you're going to get and not everyone that plays this game play on the same level. You'll get someone who dies a lot, someone who doesn't know rotation, a tank that has trouble holding aggro and/or takes a lot of damage.

Oddly, there's no 80 page thread on the tank forum arguing why it's acceptable to not hold aggro and not use cooldowns. People see that and say "okay, here's how you fix that."

There's also no 80 page thread on the DPS forum arguing that spamming Jolt is just fine and using other buttons is an overly heavy burden and a second job.

All three of them will say "stuff happens in DF and you'll get people who are making these mistakes." ONLY the healers have people arguing that saying people should try and improve their play instead of continuing to make those mistakes is being a mean elitist.

While I understand in PF content like savage and ex fights because that requires you to go at it. DF is just casual content that many do to just relax, not feel as if they're having a second job.

If hitting a button more than once every 10 seconds is a second job, then I don't even know what to say.

[Seoulstar]

[Citation Needed]

Nobody knows what the "majority" thinks.

So now it's no one knows what the majority thinks despite the fact that someone basically said that the majority in PF and DF believes that a healer should dps and that was liked multiple times? Now it's contradicting because suddenly when we see that it's not seen often that people complain, now it's nobody knows what the majority thinks.

[Tridus]

So now it's no one knows what the majority thinks despite the fact that someone basically said that the majority in PF and DF believes that a healer should dps and that was liked multiple times? Now it's contradicting because suddenly when we see that it's not seen often that people complain, now it's nobody knows what the majority thinks.

In a 91 page thread, "someone" has said a lot of things at some point. "Someone" also said SE doesn't want healers to DPS and when pointed to the Hall of the Novice's healer training saying that healers should DPS in idle time (which was made by SE), "someone" then shifted to "well they don't force you to do that so it doesn't count."

Unless its the same person saying contradictory things, it doesn't mean a whole lot, because lots of people have lots of unique positions. Whoever spoke for the majority of players on any position is wrong, because there's no way to know it. There is a way to know what the majority of people using the "like" button in this thread think, but that's about it (and that doesn't really mean a whole lot of anything).

[Miste]

In a 91 page thread, "someone" has said a lot of things at some point.

Seoul is probably trying to pin that one on me or HyoMin since a few pages back she asked me a question about my post about compromising and then HyoMin and eraNe1 answered clarifying what I said

Problem is Seoul doesn't understand what I was saying even though they tried to clarify it; so she thinks me or HyoMin said what the majority in the entire game thinks when we didn't. /shrug

There is a difference between majority opinion of the entire game and just the majority opinion of the 3-7 other people you get put with in DF or PF. One is impossible to know, the other you can easily ask them or they might even tell you.

[HyoMinPark]

So now it's no one knows what the majority thinks despite the fact that someone basically said that the majority in PF and DF believes that a healer should dps and that was liked multiple times? Now it's contradicting because suddenly when we see that it's not seen often that people complain, now it's nobody knows what the majority thinks.

There is a difference between the “majority” you’re thinking, and the “majority” that is actually being discussed. With regards to my personal definition, I apply “majority” to the people you are grouped with when you enter DF/PF/RF. If the “majority” of this party doesn’t care if a healer DPSes or stand around idle spamming /dance, then that’s fine. That’s what the “majority” of that group is okay with. If, on the other hand, the “majority” is NOT okay with a healer standing around doing nothing, then they are allowed to take action, be it kindly asking the person to contribute or rid themselves of the extra weight.

With regards to this thread, I think the “majority” of the posters advocating for healers to contribute just dislike seeing someone getting away with standing around doing nothing because they think they can. It’s unfair when others are called out on lazy play (and I see this frequently: tanks called out on not using proper cooldown, tanks called out on failing to maintain aggro, DPS called out for subpar play—and no, parsers are not involved here; they are usually just calling them out on single-targeting a pack of 7-8 mobs), but that healers think they can get away with standing around 80% tossing out a heal here and there because they have a green icon.

[Seoulstar]

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Ah..I see, my apologizes for the misunderstanding then.