Tanks Letting DPS Die

[Pence]

So, is this something you've encountered? What can be done to discourage this kind of behavior? Or, should it just simply be use DF with people you know? Or, maybe I've just been unlucky.

We can fix it by the DPS actually using their enmity management tools, which hardly any do?

[Venoshock]

.... All of these tanks would mention using Diversion in party chat, so its not like they're a new tank who doesn't know what's going on, but they're favoring their own personal performance over the party's performance just to push their numbers. So, I've looked up the tanks that have behaved this way, and every one of them were posting big numbers and cleared Omega Savage.....

No. It costs you NO dps to use diversion/lucid dreaming, but it costs the tank to use their weakest rotation AND/OR forcing them back int tank stance. So No. YOU are the one favouring your own damn performance over everyone elses. Use diversion FFS. It's an oGCD that indirectly boosts the tanks DPS with no costs to your own. I let the DPS die when they think it's funny to burst me or just flat out never use it then when they rip aggro, they magically have it on their hotbars. It's so satisfying. lmao. Yeah, i'm petty, but idc.

If tanks get shit for not using their CDs, then why can't the dps get shit for not using their utility? too much lazy and clueless people in that role, I swear.

[Azerhan]

No. It costs you NO dps to use diversion/lucid dreaming, but it costs the tank to use their weakest rotation AND/OR forcing them back int tank stance. So No. YOU are the one favouring your own damn performance over everyone elses. Use diversion FFS. It's an oGCD that indirectly boosts the tanks DPS with no costs to your own. I let the DPS die when they think it's funny to burst me or just flat out never use it then when they rip aggro, they magically have it on their hotbars. It's so satisfying. lmao. Yeah, i'm petty, but idc.

If tanks get shit for not using their CDs, then why can't the dps get shit for not using their utility? too much lazy people in that role, I swear.

This, SOOOOO much this.

I play both Dps and Tank, and since I play tank, I always take something to down my enmity when I play dps.
Tanks are not here to spam Flash or something like this all during the dungeon, I sometime have players that make mono-target dps during big pull, and they take the aggro very quickly. I'm already busy to survive with the heal, I don't need someone to make my job more harder.
I guess that's one of the reasons tanks are fewer and fewer in the game.

[Karshan]

No. It costs you NO dps to use diversion/lucid dreaming, but it costs the tank to use their weakest rotation AND/OR forcing them back int tank stance. So No. YOU are the one favouring your own damn performance over everyone elses. Use diversion FFS. It's an oGCD that indirectly boosts the tanks DPS with no costs to your own. I let the DPS die when they think it's funny to burst me or just flat out never use it then when they rip aggro, they magically have it on their hotbars. It's so satisfying. lmao. Yeah, i'm petty, but idc.

If tanks get shit for not using their CDs, then why can't the dps get shit for not using their utility? too much lazy people in that role, I swear.

Sure thing.
But when diversion and lucid have been used properly, and still the caster has two mobs on him because they weren't taken properly in the first place ("oh, two unprovoked, what a surprise that the heal/caster gets them on his spine the first action he does"), open your f*ing eyes, see a mob is out, and get it back.
I mean I play tank as well and I'm sick of those not making sure they have aggro on all before going for the next pack.

[Lastelli]

Sure thing.
I mean I play tank as well and I'm sick of those not making sure they have aggro on all before going for the next pack.

Well, that usually happens when dps start attacking while the tank is still pulling. If you're a smn and you use tri-disaster->bane->painflare while the tank's still pulling mobs you deserve to die. Same if you're a blm and swiftcast foul during a chain pull.
Of course if the tank failed to properly hit some mobs with flash/overpower etc. and is still running to the next pack it's his fault, but I've seen way too many dps that just start throwing everything they have at the mobs without even making sure whether the tank is going to pull another pack or not.

Oh, rdm that start a boss fight with CaC->melee combo without using diversion deserve to die as well.

[Aomine1992]

I have never encountered this issue before unless I'm on SMN and I'm being an idiot I.e. using bahamut and my stacks with no diversion or lucid which is noone fault but my own.....DPS need to be held accountable for their enmity as well I see it to many times

[Capn_Goggles]

Unless you're playing SAM or MNK, you have plenty of enmity management tools available. DPS never goad during AoE pulls, they never manashift healers, they never use their free enmity management; DPS are spoiled by the fact that nobody expects anything out of them.

[Kabooa]

When threat starts throttling DPS, it's the tanks responsibility.

[Venoshock]

Sure thing.
But when diversion and lucid have been used properly, and still the caster has two mobs on him because they weren't taken properly in the first place ("oh, two unprovoked, what a surprise that the heal/caster gets them on his spine the first action he does"), open your f*ing eyes, see a mob is out, and get it back.
I mean I play tank as well and I'm sick of those not making sure they have aggro on all before going for the next pack.

Nice strawman. If I'm doing a big pull and I miss a mob, obviously I'll run back and get it, how is that the DPS's fault? oh, but i'll tell you what IS the DPS's fault, if I'm doing a big pull or still in the process of pulling mobs and they go crazy on one enemy and rip aggro or when I'm still pulling and you get that (are, but it's hapened to me) BLM/SMN that uses their AOE burst whilst I'm still pulling causing a bunch of mobs to aggo on them, making me have to interupt he run, and run back, picking them up.

[Ichirai]

This is interesting to see posts from healers and tanks saying they voluntarily let their team members die... When I started playing this game as a tank when the DPS start to overdo it I just took it as a challenge. I just gotta work harder but that's what being a tank is to me.. yes we do have our own play style so of course I can't expect everyone to play like me but I do feel tanks should hold their pride! Which of course means holding hate ... yes of course I understand there are silly people out there who don't cooperate.. I've been there but I speak up. I am not going to stop trying to play my role as The Savior!
Thank you for reading, that is my 2cent!
Happy Gaming ✌