Lazy Healers In Parties of Eight

[Mirateski]

I get annoyed when heal-only healers are constantly curing over my excog even when I ask them not to. In omega normal, I got a whm who healed over everything I tried to do. I tried to ask them not to and explain, but they ignored me. So I stopped healing the tank (who was in the same room as me, I let them know I was doing it, they didn't even notice) and only healed for raidwides with indom.

Nobody could tell.

A lot of SCH's heals are instant-cast, so if you're not paying attention to where the healing is coming from, it's easy to assume that the sch isn't doing any healing, when in fact they're probably doing quite a lot.

[Anselmet]

Wait, what? Its bad to have your co-healers dps now? Most 8-man (excluding omega savage) does not need your healer healing all that much or it leads to over healing. On Sch, I will dps and just toss up shields before dmg is coming. And as for whm, if my co healer is not healing the tank, I will dps and heal as needed. Of course I will help our more if shit hits the fan, but in things like Omega normal or any primal normal for that matter, if both healers are both healing constantly then there is something really wrong with the party or your both over healing. But even in Lakshmi ex and Susano ex you do not need the second healers healing constantly.

[Sunako]

Most funny are healers that never use healing over time effects or instant abilities, but only cast cures.

[FoxyAreku]

I'd rather have a lazy healer who just tops off health bars, than the "nothing but DPS" "healer" which has become the norm nowadays.

Man if that's the norm I'm getting super unlucky, I wish I got healers like that.

[MoroMurasaki]

I see this all the time in trial roulette.

I've had several cohealers who mostly stand there or spam either a single target or aoe cure periodically.

I do sometimes wonder what if those healers got each other as cohealers... Is that how you wind up disbanding on content from years ago?

My problem with them isn't even generally that they're bad it's more that I try to mom them and give them advice and they don't take it or are rude.

[NolLacnala]

Got a co-healer SCH last night in V2 normal who only spammed Broil, as in, wouldn't look away or move for mechanics and only Broiled. He finally detonated to raid damage with six vuln stacks. I rezzed him, tossed him an Ewer, and he managed to explode to two vulns+weakness. At this point, I wrote him off as a mana loss and solo healed while DPSing.

I want the Netflix n' Chill crowd to go and stay go.

[Coratanni]

I've had to solo heal almost every Alexander normal raid last year because of a healer that would sit afk from start to finish. A8 for example, the other whm sat in the corner. Fortunately I had a smnr who did raising for me so i could conserve MP for healing.

[Sciwolf]

Omg healers suck

Omg where are all the healers? Why my queues are so long?

[SlogDog]

I don't do 8 man content with random people besides a trial roulette when I'm fishing for second chances but when I do I run into one issue.

SCH and AST should learn that WHM should be doing most of the DPSing. If we are both WHM I can see where things would get confusing but in most cases with a SCH or AST just let the WHM do their thing. I'm not saying they should never help you with healing or that you should never throw in dps... just keep in mind a WHM damage potential blows yours out of the water after you put up your dots.

[era1Ne]

I don't do 8 man content with random people besides a trial roulette when I'm fishing for second chances but when I do I run into one issue.

SCH and AST should learn that WHM should be doing most of the DPSing. If we are both WHM I can see where things would get confusing but in most cases with a SCH or AST just let the WHM do their thing. I'm not saying they should never help you with healing or that you should never throw in dps... just keep in mind a WHM damage potential blows yours out of the water after you put up your dots.

The whm also has an insane healing output and many ogcd heals. Why not use them and work with your co-healer together?

I am actually suggesting to my co-healer they can go and concentrate on damage most of the time. That way the encounter is done quicker and it is more fun for me because healing might become a little bit challenging.

This is wrong, because both healers using their heal skills efficiently to free up time for both healers to dps, is much, much more efficient. It is harder to play like that, tho.

It can be difficult to accurately assess whether a healer in 8-man content is being lazy or not. Sometimes it's clear, but many times they simply don't "top people off" as quickly as someone else might. I know personally I won't cast Cure if some damage-dealer gets knocked down to half life, unless I know a big AoE is coming. I'll toss off a Regen and leave it at that. To another healer, however, this might look as if I'm ignoring them.

I'm not arguing with your overall point, simply suggesting that you might be more reactive than the average healer. Whether this is good or bad is up for debate, though it's far from clear-cut (I'd actually argue that being over-reactive is just as harmful as being under-reactive).

Well said. Usually i want both healers to dps and heal, since this is the most efficient way and imo most fun, but when i see an healer in PUG ignore my reggen and if he tops people of asap for example , basically trying to solo heal the fight for whatever reason, then i'll adept and heal much less. This is not optimal, but doing dmg is still better than overhealing. As an healer you just have to adept and for that know every skill of every healer. If you see an earthly star for instance, there is no reason to use azzise or indom at the same time in most cases.

Yet another reason a parser would be nice to show how active a healer is in some cases.

In this game you want to heal as less as possible without people dying and for this reason such an parser wouldn't work or at least you shouldn't judge people on their heal numbers. When and how efficient you heal is important and not by how much.