Lazy Healers In Parties of Eight

[ilea]

I don't mind "relaxed" healers if they're competent, or in content where two healers aren't really needed.

When I know the other healer or can tell they're healing smart, a lack of heals isn't a big deal, since I know they'll be ready for the room-wide AoE. DPSing becomes much easier as well.

But that's rarely the case. It feels like the PUG healers I get rarely heal (e.g. Noct sect ASTs who don't shield) or heal too much. You end up having to overcompensate since they don't prepare for tankbusters, or run their MP dry spamming Medica II.

I've actually been pleasantly surprised by DPS party members in SB. RDMs are always on top of Raises, BLMs will Mana Shift me, and BRDs offer Refresh. Even a single RDM offers more utility than a lazy healer.

[Jim_Berry]

I now to at least toss a dot, with or without Cleric Stance. I aimply cannot properly multitask doing tons of dps and tons of healing at the same time as a healer. That said, my personal healing play style gave me enough comfort to be able to solo heal.

Because I'm a healer that don't focus dps, I generally stay off my WHM/AST. Solo-healed A11S when it was relevant in one particular run when our other healer d/c'd at pull. We one-shot but I didn't hear the end of it from the tank because I had 0 dps that fight, he said.

[technole]

The best part is Astro has it very easy to weave damage, as they now have only have one DoT to put up. But even that is hard for many. You don't even need to take cleric stance if you don't want to. No one is asking for top-tier healer damage, just put some points on the board my gosh.

[Alleo]

Makes threads that people should stop complaining about stuff..makes threads to complain about something. Come to the side of complaining we had cookies. (Before I ate them all)

But I agree with you. Players should always do something even if they are DD, tank or healer but the only job that can get away with standing there doing nothing for a time are the healers and as a DD I am kinda getting annoyed because I always try to do my best in group content only to see someone standing there doing nothing until someone gets hit. Its even more annoying since people dont even need to stance dance anymore.

My first SB dungeon was as a healer because the DD queue was way to long. She did not have the best equipment because I am a main DD, and the first thing the tank does is big pull. Yet even though I had no idea what will happen in the dungeon and even though I am not a main healer I kept everyone alive and casted some DPS skills on top of that.

I can understand if someone is new or if the team is not good equipped and they dont want to DPS on trash pulls..but at least some Dots on the boss would be nice.

And before someone says something, no I dont kick someone like that, I am just not giving that person a commendation and maybe stand in stuff more. (If its not deathly because that would be bad for the whole group)

[MoroMurasaki]

Ah, see, I mained SCH all through HW and was very used to DPSing there especially in 4 man dungeons which is apparently where SCH is/was weakest. You missed out on the golden age of SCH buddy!


Like I said I can't speak for SB scholar, mine is still only 60 or 61, but I do think that with Dissipation being rolled mostly into Energy Drain you should be able to have consistant sustain at 60+ assuming DPS are not being 'muh deeps' about AoE. In fact if you just hit 60 I highly reccomend that you try out Dissipation in general - I didn't touch it becauae my logic was "but if my fairy leaves who is gonna heal?!" but once I got into it I realized what a difference it can make.

Either way I agree with you to an extent that people play with the same groups all the time and that that effects their perception of other players but I do think that we need to expect more from healers than just a clear if we want to stop seeing all the healer specific hate on these forums and in game. We have a very low viable skill floor, the lowest of the three roles in my opinion, but then act like it's perfectly alright for someone to live on that floor and never progress. That is what I have a problem with. A tank who never leaves tank stance or doesn't properly rotate his cooldowns is looked at as "learning" by a lot of groups, same as a DPS making silly mistakes in their rotation. I stop and give those people advice if I am able and it seems like they are open to it.

A healer who only heals needs to, at least, be treated like someone who is not performing their entire role and might need help and that will never become the norm if we always make excuses for them.

Otherwise I think we will still be getting called lazy for silly things because the accepted player mindset in this game's culture is that healers are lazy.... and god knows I don't want to be the next loldrg floortank.

Also thanks, I'm loving this sig right now. The great healer DPS debate is where it's at. I'm sorry if I got a little spicy with you, just passionate about keeping my favorite role from being seen im such an unflattering light.

[oph]

Blame SE for making content so healer friendly, at the moment there is no need for 2 healers to pump 100% focus healing in any fight, for that reason you'll have SCH and AST (nocturnal) probably spending more time doing dps and pre-shielding the group and the tank on busters since the job is less reactive.

[Beatific]

I find it amazing that everyone who doesn't heal decides how a healer should play. Look on these forums - there aren't posts about lazy dps or lazy tanks, but every day there's a new post about how healers should play. This is how you spend your time? Posting about how you don't like the way a particular person played? Seriously, find something constructive to do. Level a healer maybe and play it the way you have decided it should be played.

[Tint]

I find it amazing that everyone who doesn't heal decides how a healer should play. Look on these forums - there aren't posts about lazy dps or lazy tanks, but every day there's a new post about how healers should play.

this is because tanks and DDs don't stop moving inbetween skills, so nobody can see how lazy their rotation is (1-2-3 repeat). and it's forbidden to blame DDs for bad dps - but it's okay to blame the healer for bad dps, at least it seems so since NO FORUM MODS OR GAME MASTERS OR ANYBODY ELSE OF THE TEAM BEHIND FFXIV IS DOING ANYTHING AGAINST IT AND THIS IS GOING ON FOR YEARS NOW! sorry, but that wanted out xD

i just don't understand why it is okay to blame healers for "bad play" in such a huge dimension on the official board. this started small, but over the years this grew to a massive witch hunt and i think it's time for the mods to step up and stop to allow this harassing manner towards healers altogether.

[KalinOrthos]

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Agreed. Repeat that sentiment for the vitriol against tanks who don't meld the absolute highest DPS materia and who don't use strength accessories. This level of mindboggling anger and elitism needs to recede back to where it belongs.

You know, reddit.

[Aomine1992]

Lol this is why I do not enjoy healing anymore like I did in HW, either you're not doing enough dps or either you're not healing enough or you're lazy.....My experience with dps healers especially SCHs is they ignore healing and when shit hits the fan they are still casting broil, they don't raise or anything so in an 8 man that isn't something old I rather my co healer actually heal if you wanna weave some dps in between then do so but remember your main role