Lazy Healers In Parties of Eight

[kattzkitti]

I'd rather have a lazy healer who just tops off health bars, than the "nothing but DPS" "healer" which has become the norm nowadays.

[Rokke]

Lazy healers that spams cure1? Lazy healer thats emoting in the background? Lazy healer that is letting party die for deeps? Gotta be a little more specific with co healer bellyaching.

[Gun-Cat]

I'd rather have a lazy healer who just tops off health bars, than the "nothing but DPS" "healer" which has become the norm nowadays.

I am actually suggesting to my co-healer they can go and concentrate on damage most of the time. That way the encounter is done quicker and it is more fun for me because healing might become a little bit challenging.

[Pells]

I am actually suggesting to my co-healer they can go and concentrate on damage most of the time. That way the encounter is done quicker and it is more fun for me because healing might become a little bit challenging.

Why not just solo heal and bring 5 dps instead of crappy healer damage?

[Rawrz]

Why not just solo heal and bring 5 dps instead of crappy healer damage?

#1 Reason why sch wins in prog but loses its place in farm. Whm or ast can do it alone.

[era1Ne]

I don't do 8 man content with random people besides a trial roulette when I'm fishing for second chances but when I do I run into one issue.

SCH and AST should learn that WHM should be doing most of the DPSing. If we are both WHM I can see where things would get confusing but in most cases with a SCH or AST just let the WHM do their thing. I'm not saying they should never help you with healing or that you should never throw in dps... just keep in mind a WHM damage potential blows yours out of the water after you put up your dots.

The whm also has an insane healing output and many ogcd heals. Why not use them and work with your co-healer together?

I am actually suggesting to my co-healer they can go and concentrate on damage most of the time. That way the encounter is done quicker and it is more fun for me because healing might become a little bit challenging.

This is wrong, because both healers using their heal skills efficiently to free up time for both healers to dps, is much, much more efficient. It is harder to play like that, tho.

It can be difficult to accurately assess whether a healer in 8-man content is being lazy or not. Sometimes it's clear, but many times they simply don't "top people off" as quickly as someone else might. I know personally I won't cast Cure if some damage-dealer gets knocked down to half life, unless I know a big AoE is coming. I'll toss off a Regen and leave it at that. To another healer, however, this might look as if I'm ignoring them.

I'm not arguing with your overall point, simply suggesting that you might be more reactive than the average healer. Whether this is good or bad is up for debate, though it's far from clear-cut (I'd actually argue that being over-reactive is just as harmful as being under-reactive).

Well said. Usually i want both healers to dps and heal, since this is the most efficient way and imo most fun, but when i see an healer in PUG ignore my reggen and if he tops people of asap for example , basically trying to solo heal the fight for whatever reason, then i'll adept and heal much less. This is not optimal, but doing dmg is still better than overhealing. As an healer you just have to adept and for that know every skill of every healer. If you see an earthly star for instance, there is no reason to use azzise or indom at the same time in most cases.

Yet another reason a parser would be nice to show how active a healer is in some cases.

In this game you want to heal as less as possible without people dying and for this reason such an parser wouldn't work or at least you shouldn't judge people on their heal numbers. When and how efficient you heal is important and not by how much.

[SlogDog]

The whm also has an insane healing output and many ogcd heals. Why not use them and work with your co-healer together?

I'm pretty sure "I'm not saying they should never help you with healing or that you should never throw in dps" covers that but sure, don't let me get in the way of your crusade to prove you know the basics of cohealing interaction.

[era1Ne]

I'm pretty sure "I'm not saying they should never help you with healing or that you should never throw in dps" covers that but sure, don't let me get in the way of your crusade to prove you know the basics of cohealing interaction.

I am pretty sure, i've never said the stuff in your quotes or thought that you want them to never help with heal for example. I disagreed with two things in your post. First, you called it an issue, that ast or sch should know whm should do most of the dpsing, when in reality you should work together to get the most raiddps. Doesn't matter who heals more, less as long as you play as efficient as possible. Secondly, you said that whm should just do their thing (in most cases), which is still bad, if we talk about optimal play. But i do agree that playing like this can be fine, if you don't have an option to commuicate with the co-healer in an Pug group for example.

[SlogDog]

I am pretty sure, i've never said the stuff in your quotes.

Alright you clarified, but if we are talking about optimal play letting the WHM do the "offhealing" nets you more combined raid dps then having your AST or SCH take that spot. The healers are both contributing 40/60, closer to 50/50 at times, but anytime the SCH/AST does majority dps the combined potential is a lot lower. AST especially easily cap out at 2kish dps, WHM can hit 3k+... An AST sacrificing 200-400 dps so that the WHM can pull out an extra 800-1k is a bigger benefit. stealing dps from the WHM doesn't make any sense for the good of the team.

[Penthea]

I am actually suggesting to my co-healer they can go and concentrate on damage most of the time. That way the encounter is done quicker and it is more fun for me because healing might become a little bit challenging.

Yea but that's both of you coordinating and agreeing to do it. Not the same as a random healer deciding to do no healing without informing anyone.

As for what OP said...well that's how it is with pugs. It's lottery. You're going to find bad and/or lazy players of every role.