4.1 and us healers

[IanFrench]

Nocturnal Sect gives the AST a 15% bonus potency on their healing spells, thus making Aspected Helios (Nocturnal) still more potent than Succor. It'll probably also cost less MP than Succor too even after the Succor MP changes, I imagine. I find that a fair trade off.

That 15% bonus is just a mere compensation for not having aetherflow or faries.

[Ghishlain]

That 15% bonus is just a mere compensation for not having aetherflow or faries.

I'm not in the mood to compare full on kit vs kit ATM so let's ignore sect bonus then and stick to a single spell vs spell comparison.

Succor (currently) costs 2,280 MP. Aspected Helios costs 1,800 MP. This means Succor costs 26% more MP than Aspected Helios to gain an additional 0.5s cast speed. So, some food for thought - if you want your cast time reduction, you might need to get a MP cost increase to compensate.


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It is a bit premature but look at how the role has been changing do you expect people to not be extremely worried?

Also just because it looks like the changes affect the floor doesn't mean it won't have a impact on the ceiling as well..

Really hoping by 5.0 we see some drastic changes to this entire role.

I did say that it would affect the skill ceiling too, but just not as much as the skill floor.

And I feel people should be open minded about these changes at the current iteration. Think of the out cry regarding lilies and the like when it was initially announced and how everyone was screaming doom and gloom for WHM on 4.0 release. Yet, despite the counter intuitiveness of the lilies, WHM became quite the powerhouse in 4.0 due to the massive MP kit it gained from the changes it got.

[Jxnibbles]

Lillies are not strong still counter intutiive blaming boss design being heavily scripted based on cds, Literally the only good thing that happened to Whm was Thin Air this whole expansion. We only got so strong because Sch got hit so hard.

We can argue about this all day but I will agree we should wait till the patch hits live. Anyway my biggest worry is the Cross Role system and jobs copy pasting abilities. Really wonder how a 4th Healer could even be implemented.

[era1Ne]

Lillies are not strong still counter intutiive blaming boss design being heavily scripted based on cds, Literally the only good thing that happened to Whm was Thin Air this whole expansion. We only got so strong because Sch got hit so hard.

Well, scholar was op in heavensward and needed to be adjusted. At the moment the balance of the healers is good enough and only small tweaks are needed imo. The jobs themselves need some QoL changes tho. For example the fairy of the scholar should be more responsive.

Also just because it looks like the changes affect the floor doesn't mean it won't have a impact on the ceiling as well..

The ceiling trys to use adlo and succor or any cast for that matter as less as possible, which means changes to those casts will not affect the ceiling much.

[IanFrench]

I'm not in the mood to compare full on kit vs kit ATM so let's ignore sect bonus then and stick to a single spell vs spell comparison.

Succor (currently) costs 2,280 MP. Aspected Helios costs 1,800 MP. This means Succor costs 26% more MP than Aspected Helios to gain an additional 0.5s cast speed. So, some food for thought - if you want your cast time reduction, you might need to get a MP cost increase to compensate.


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I don't understand why you think MP cost matters in this case, scholar has slightly higher mp cost at the moment and SE promise will reduce mp in coming 4.1.
And most important thing is, aetherflow returns MP constantly and faries' healing is FREE and automated.